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[May contain spoilers & LONG thread] 153 Venom, totem still standing. (Draconi?)

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Petrify would like some answers please

Our guild has placed 153 venom sacs onto a skull totem and it's still standing. It's either a completely ridiculous amount which will never be achieved on larger shards (we have the ability to farm it because we have a small shard) or it's broken. Could anyone confirm the required amount to destroy a totem or even check? it's really getting out of hand how much venom is required.

Throughout that period we have only managed 1 small spider web as well, which seems like it too is also very very hard to acquire.


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Not broken, you're more than halfway through.


Regine reasssures him


Small shards will have a hard time destroying them all. Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.

Regine_EAMythic UO Associate Game Designer

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Is there some reward for doing so? Right now there seems an incentive for not "winning" the event (to keep the monsters spawning for those artifacts).

PS: At least 2 of you posting pretty late....Are you all just up late, or are you all on the West Coast for some reason we should be made aware of?

-Galen's player

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The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing. Posted Image

And no, we're all in VA. And thanks for reminding me I seriously need to get my sorry self to bed!


Regine_EAMythic UO Associate Game Designer

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Petrify wasnt amused by the answer though.

Well, I'm not going to bother now. The time it takes to get upwards of 300 is ridiculous for 0 reward.

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Neither was Lord Deimos

Well that just aint gonna cut it....

*stops wasting time getting venom sacs*

sorry _______


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Larisa was shocked at their responses

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic Posted Image *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...

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Larisa is a sad panda.....



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Originally Posted by Regine_EAMythic
The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing. Posted Image

*sighs*

Thanks for telling us.....

You do realize this means the job's never gonna be done now, right?


-Galen's player

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While Pawain sees the irony on it all

Time to mark this day in history!

People are complaining because the UO employees are giving out too much information!

Tell us more Regine! NOOO dont tell us too much! You have a job that I dont envy.


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Mr.Moostache had strong words for some of the posters

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Originally Posted by Petrify Posted Image
Well, I'm not going to bother now. The time it takes to get upwards of 300 is ridiculous for 0 reward.


This is the reason though man, that PvP, and the game in general is dieing so quick. This sort of attitude has people only caring to do anything if they can get some sort of pretty pixel, etc. out of it.

This isn't exactly directed at you because I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you had the same basic plan for them as we did (Drawing people into Fel), and I don't see that happening.

In all honesty though, people don't PvP anymore, unless it's for some sort of super item. Nobody fights for a fight, I've offered countless even # fights at Wrong, etc. to people on our shard. I've attempted to put together a shard wide war for EVERYONE to participate in (We broke out entire guild apart and drew names of everyone that wanted to participate and made four teams. It was fun, but there was incessant bitching and entire guilds who didn't participate. Instead those certain guilds instead of participating, they took this as a great time to try and sneak off spawns (YAY! ITEMS!)...they died.

I mean take this post as an example (This isn't really PvP based, but it's as relevant as any), pulled out of the "What did you do to Europa!?" thread:

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Originally Posted by Inquisitor [AK] Posted Image
o yea great thanks for wasting my time!
at least some kind of gift as compensation for loss would be nice i mean all that event **** i lost, not to mention the time i spend and the red eyes i got from playin a night straight


THINGS HAPPEN PEOPLE! COME ON! Maybe I'm just used to the old ways of before Tram days, but man, things happen. Servers break, things don't always go your way. Suck it up, go out and try again. Instead people !!!!!, whine and ask for "prety pixels" to make up for things nobody can control. It doesn't even seem as though these people play for fun anymore, it's like pixel crack. Wtf!?

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I just wish UO would get smart and make a few old school UO shards (Pre UOR, UO:R, Pub 16), it really is the only way to save the game in a way now. Keep the current shards and the current progress on SA, but give the people who actually want to just fight a shard where people feel the same (and no Siege is just a step behind other shards, it's not "old school"). This kind of logic people have now of ,"OH LOOK PRETTY COLORS! MUST HAVE! FEL!? I REFUSE TO DO THAT! I WILL !!!!! UNTIL IT IS IN TRAM TOO!", is ridiculous!!

I'm glad the "rewards" missed the boat, it has the point of people doing stuff just to do them again, but it seems people just don't play that way anymore. It's sad.

Sakk, do you know anything regarding them bringing EM's back and if they are accepting current players to do so? Or if they actually plan to do Fel based events (These have been severely lacking.). Atlantic isn't the same by the way.

Oh, and the faction aids, are by far overpowered for dexxers and a minimal help for mages (most mages do not have 80 dex =<).


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Regine had this to say.

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Originally Posted by Pawain Posted Image
Time to mark this day in history!

People are complaining because the UO employees are giving out too much information!

Tell us more Regine! NOOO dont tell us too much! You have a job that I dont envy.


Thank you for reassuring me that I wasn't the only one getting conflicting feedback from the players! But I still love my job, so it's all good! Posted Image

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Originally Posted by Mr Moosestache Posted Image
Sakk, do you know anything regarding them bringing EM's back and if they are accepting current players to do so? Or if they actually plan to do Fel based events (These have been severely lacking.). Atlantic isn't the same by the way.

Everyone is welcomed to apply for the EM positions. Mesanna will be providing more details shortly about the recruitment process. As for content, the EMs will be helping ramp up the events leading to the launch of SA, among other things. And obviously we want all playstyles to be included. But that is as much info as I can give for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Mr Moosestache Posted Image
Oh, and the faction aids, are by far overpowered for dexxers and a minimal help for mages (most mages do not have 80 dex =<).

Aside from a handful of people in the thread about the bandages, I really haven't gotten any significant feedback from the players asking for a nerf to justify it. As stated before, I am opened to a rebalancing but it has to be a consensus from the majority. So far, people seem ok with them. Even the Faction Forums are quiet about it...


Regine_EAMythic UO Associate Game Designer

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and carrying on Regine answered more players comments.

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Originally Posted by Xel Naga Posted Image
Are the hired required to work in the Fairfaix HQ or is this telecommunications job we can do out of state?

You can work remotely. No relocating required.

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Originally Posted by Mr Moosestache Posted Image
I think we will be seeing a lot more posts regarding factions when this event is over

That's fine. We'll cross that bridge when we get there Posted Image

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Galen went back to the 'reward ' issue.

No chance of putting the reward in the boat?

I mean honestly it seems to me like simple common sense.

-Galen's player


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Whilst Kiminality wanted to know more about the EM programme.

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Originally Posted by Regine_EAMythic Posted Image
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Originally Posted by Xel Naga Posted Image
Are the hired required to work in the Fairfaix HQ or is this telecommunications job we can do out of state?

You can work remotely. No relocating required.


International? Or US only?


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Originally Posted by GalenKnighthawke Posted Image
I mean honestly it seems to me like simple common sense.

Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

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Originally Posted by Kiminality Posted Image
International? Or US only?

International too

Regine_EAMythic UO Associate Game Designer


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While D'Amavir found more question to answers to previos questions !!!!

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Originally Posted by Regine_EAMythic Posted Image
Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

The part where you put out a system that encourages people to do something on one facet in order to try to force people do go to another facet. Knowing that something like that would lead to bad feelings between the two sides is definitely common sense.

Also the part where you add something to the game that you first claim


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I gave the Totems sufficient HP that it's unlikely any shard will have all their totems destroyed unless absolutely everyone uses their venom sacs on them.
then say something like

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Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.
So, which is it? Is it unlikely or will it be no problem? I assume np stands for no problem. In your world it might stand for no possibilityof so you might not have contradicted yourself so blatantly. That's one reason I steer away from most of the lazy net typing habits most use these days. Especially if I am representing the company I work for while talking to the paying customers that keep that company afloat.

Common sense indeed. Posted Image


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-Galen's player took Regine to task over this comment
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Originally Posted by Regine_EAMythic Posted Image
Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

The part that says business people who have been selling a product for 11 years should know their customers.

There'll maybe be a handful of us who will work this for RP alone. Yes, I am one of them. So if your implication is directed at me.....You haven't been reading very closely.

But guess what? I was just in the spider room. There were people there working the lesser spider spawns for whatever it is that they carry and ignoring the boss spider. There's no reason to get venom sacs anymore.

You all didn't learn from Magincia I guess, when people were luring Light Daemons into the buildings with the intent of destroying them, and threatening to page GMs on those of us who were fighting them.

And in that instance, a good case could be made that the rewards from killing the Light Daemons (Vorpal Blades, Staffs of Pyros were still worth a few hundred k each at the time) were potentially worth more than the rewards from blowing up the buildings (the prices on the vast majority of rubble pieces had dropped substantially). It's just that the relationship wasn't as direct, so people still didn't do the "right" thing.

And in this case, you've specifically stated that there's no reward for doing the right thing.

Now I'm not criticizing you for telling us that.

I'm criticizing the design decision to reward keeping the spawn going, and not reward stopping it.

Common sense.

*shrugs*

I've dropped 6 venom sacs on the Jhelom Totem. There's a minimum of 154 sacs needed, probably closer to 300.

I'm never getting there by myself, and no one's going to help, or few people will, and it's because of a flawed business design that doesn't know the customer base it's pitching to.

Do you play this game, Regine?

Yes, for me the RP of doing the right thing is enough. Do I need to say that again? However, there aren't enough of us left to matter. If you played the game you'd know that.


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So, which is it? Is it unlikely or will it be no problem? I assume np stands for no problem. In your world it might stand for no possibilityof so you might not have contradicted yourself so blatantly.

Simple:

1. Heavy population shards will have no problem destroying their totems if they invest the time and turn in all (or at least the majority of) the venom sacs. In another words, the amount of sacs needed isn't an astronomical, impossible to reach amount. But also not so low as to give players who didn't take part on day one a chance to actually do the quest.

2. Is it likely to happen every totem will be destroyed? I don't think so because for various reasons, a non-negligible number of players will decide not to use them.

So in short, it's not because something is possible (and this is quite possible) that it's necessarily likely to happen.


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Do you play this game, Regine?

Yes, for me the RP of doing the right thing is enough. Do I need to say that again? However, there aren't enough of us left to matter. If you played the game you'd know that.


As a matter of fact I do, though I mostly PvP. But I and many others have been turning in our poison sacs. And while it is true that players all want the new shinies (and I'm no different), what I've also seen and experienced first hand is complete strangers going out of their way to rez me after Sicarii chewed me up. People from rival guilds joining forces with me to clear the graveyards or helping me back to my corpse that was being camped by shadow fiends.

What I've also seen, is some people handing over their extra gossamer to help someone else complete their web deed instead of selling it for 5 mil a pop in Luna, like I've seen on my home shard.

I have faith that a lot more players than people may think will do "the right thing". I'm not sure that any shard will have destroyed them all, but I believe we will see a number of destroyed totems. Especially on Nov 16 as a few people already said they were only going to user theirs at the end.



Regine_EAMythic UO Associate Game Designer

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