Seamstra

This is something I find interesting...I don't sell things very often but when I do, I usually sell my items for below what the going price is.

BLASPHEMY you say..

Well.. As a Player who plays to have fun and doesn't play to have the most money or the coolest toys I like to give everyone a chance. There are some young players who might not be able to afford a 40K piece of Armor.

Let's have a few examples you say.

I got a Crimson Ciniture last night. the most coveted piece of loot in the game I think. After looking around at prices, I sold it for a cool 10M. My husband had a FIT. I told him it was none of his business, it was mine, I got it, I could sell it for whatever I wanted. Alas, he was not the only one who was curious. a few people at the bank upon hearing me sell it for 10M asked me why. Simply put..."Because I want to give everyone a chance"

My dealings at the bank aren't always pleasant. I had a little too much fun with a Runic kit and was selling a nice suit of 60's (not top notch but good I thought) after about an hour a few players came up to me and started telling me it sucked, he got better items off a Mongbat, or that he threw better stuff away.

The funny thing was, I wasn't asking much for it.. 50K was my goal. Now here is the funny part. The guy who was basically telling me my stuff was crap, offered me 100K to shut up. I wasn't gonna pass up that deal. Not only did I get a 100K from him to shut up, another player came over and wanted to buy the suit for 100K.. Well, now I just made 200K for a suit I was only thinking 50K for.

So what makes another player the authority on what your selling? Especially when I am not even giving a price, Someone could have said "Excuse me, I only have 500 gp" and I probably would have sold a piece of the armor to him. 5k probably would have gotten someone the whole suit. Now if I was screaming out for 10M then, sure, you can come tell me to shut up or what I was selling was worthless.

I play to have fun, not to make money. If I want something I usually wait to buy it or I use my crafter to make it for myself. Alot of the time my Husband will have doubles or even triples and give it to me. On the rare occasion I will beg the hubby to buy it for me.

I guess the point is.. I play to have fun and if I can give a newbie a decent suit of armor for next to nothing then so be it. Someone did that for me, and some people still do those things for me. So why not pay it forward?

Now I am not saying I am gonna flat out give a Million dollar artifact out, I'll sell it for what I think is reasonable and probably below what luna is asking for.

So what do you do when you sell your goods? Do you ask for fair market Value? Below market Value?

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Arioch

I don't think I have ever sold anything for near it's market value. I have the same philosophy as you. Pay it forward. A couple of very nice people helped me out the first night I was in game, and it made a huge impact on me. One asked me to just "help someone when you can", and the other became my guild leader.

This isn't to say I don't covet some of the finer things in the game, but I am not about to rip someone off to be able to afford them. Nor am I going to berate someone else in-game for just about anything. The game is an escape, and a fun one at that. Why get into someone else's face over something that won't impact you in the least?

Congrats, Seamstra, on the great take for your suit of armor, and may you find wealth when you least expect it, since we know you aren't searching for it

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Lord L'arr Hamerfeld

Cymbria Devereux

Personally, I either give it away or take it to an in game auction with a very very low starting price, just to be sure SOMEONE buys it. I also am after the entertainment and this is what entertains me. And to the 'experts'....they usually have more money than the sense to know what to do with it anyways.

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Warsong of LS

Sell whatever you want for whatever you want.

Wishes I could find a crimson for 10M, then I would just need to find the 10M!

Seriously though if you are having fun, heck with what others are saying.

Me? I sell treasure maps really low - level 6 maps I sell for 1500 and prices go down from there. Many people have asked me why? Easy, I have no use for them, I do not have a treasure hunter, never wanted one. So I would rather people that do treasure hunts get use out of the ones I find.

I used to donate maps to guild I belonged to but, I am not in a guild currently.

And at one point, I had a RL friend who loved to treasure hunt (more power too him), I worked it out that he could have everyone I got for free, I just wanted all the gems from them. It worked out fine. But he quit sometime back, so fast forward to today where I sell them for very little.

To each his own. Its the greatest strength of UO, the sandbox style of play.

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Landicine

I sell things for what I consider to be a reasonable price based on the situation. I will sell items for below market price if I want a quick turn over. I will sell items for market price if I think the item is worth it. For items I don't know about, I let people make offers. I sold an item the other day for a price far above what I was expecting based on the other person's offer. I have no problems with direct honest in-game commerce since it can be a lot of fun.

Personally, I wouldn't sell items for too far below the market price because I've seen people get burned. I remember a friend sold a house years ago when even a small was hard to get for far less than it was worth because the other player gave her a sob story. A week later he resold it for a profit. People will often resell items you sell too cheaply. Also, sometimes it undercuts other players who are selling at a reasonable price. For example, scripters really mess things up for miners and lumberjacks because no honest player can compete with someone selling for a fraction of the price. However, I don't believe your small acts of charity will ever be as detrimental.

I also tend to avoid giving too much away to other players because of what happened with my brother. I managed to get my brother to start playing a few years back (gave him a copy for Christmas). I helped get him a house, gave him armor, weapons, powerscrolls, etc. and helped him raise skill. He didn't get into the game because everything was handed to him. He let that house collapse. On the other hand, I have a friend who I got interested in the game, but since we have different playstyles, we never interacted much. He still plays and built his own fortune and guild. There was a sense of achievement for him that made the game have value.

kingtony

i use a certain rule of thumb if i dont need it i give it away the end result it is just pixel crack and i usually just like to trade with other players usually price is not important.

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lklovelykiki24

If I have extra I just give it away. To me its to much of a hassle to stand at the bank and try to sell it. I do appreciate the people who do stand at the bank and sell there goods usually they have very good prices. I do have a problem though, I hate when I ask someone how much an item is and they say "offer". The reason is because I have no clue some times what the item is worth why don't people just say how muchthey want for there item?

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kingtony

agreed when they tell me offer i usualy tell them diner and a movie gets a quick laugh and then they usually tell me the price then

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Landicine

Most likely they have as little clue about the item's market value as you do. I know I sometimes sell items that I have no idea what they are worth beyond a general clue that someone else might need it.

Warsong of LS

reason most sellers ask you to offer is simple greed.

lets say you are selling an item that you know goes for about 1 million on your shard. You say selling X, make offer , now if someone says 1.5 or 2 million you sell to them. if someone says 500k you say no and you continue looking for your price 1 million +.

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Landicine

But by the same argument, if someone offers 500k on an item worth ~1 million, they are trying to pay less than the item is worth, also an act of greed. Either is hardly true.

I find that with hard amounts "I want X" tend to end negotiations before they get interesting. Either the person has it or he moves on without even discussing with me whether I may go lower or not.

Also, can you honestly say you know the price of everything on the shard? If I give you ten items, you can tell me the highs, lows, and most frequent prices? If you can do that, that's impressive. I have to use various websites to keep up.

There have been items where I've had the person make me an offer since there is no way to get any clear idea what the value is (houses, weapons with lots of properties, etc). Sure the person has a price they won't go below, but that's like a minimum or reserve in an auction. Is the seller supposed to take a lower amount just so the buyer can get a deal? The seller doesn't owe the buyer anything, and buyers who expect sellers to sell their work and time short are just as greedy as sellers who overcharge.

Commerce is an interesting part of the game. I enjoy the thrill of selling things, even when I could make more money junking the item and just killing a few more monsters. As long as the seller is honest (not scamming or selling "fake" rares), I really don't like the idea of simply writing people off as greedy. It is possible to have friendly commerce without one person giving everything away. I don't "buy" my friends in real life, and I'm not going to do it in game.

Cymbria Devereux

Some people I know find it most interesting just to sit at the bank and watch what is being bought and sold and for what price. That way I guess they feel they can buy at low prices and sell at high prices. I find exploring more interesting, but to each their own, since I only pay for my account.

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