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wow finaly after years of people wanting this fix , thank you EA

but it'll only help the cheaters out

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Yep, they should have waited until they can stop the scripters first. I hope they do a mass scripter banning soon.

WAYYYY TO GOOOO DEV TEAM!!!!!

A certain barrel scriptor who grabs luna plots via exploiting barrels is out of business. Guess he will have to place the old fashion way, click real fast.

For those of you who don't know, barrels are a script placers best friend. He can place them around exactly where his program is going to place. Even a good placer has little chance against this. This same person did it everytime there was a public luna house. This is fact, not opinion and now the field is level. People using unlimited exploited water pictures and barrels now have to actually learn to get the falling times and learn how to place.

Second barrels could be placed in person's houses underneath the plot via programs. This is a great fix, thanks much!

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I'm not very slow. In fact when there's no well known scripter around I can slam it down most of the time over others, for I am one of those who stays up all nite and times it to the minute. I in fact will NOT place barrels if I've not seen a well-known name pop in to check on the spot all nite. I just believe in fair play and looting for all...it's a game after all and the stuff is a freebie. If there's a cheater however, I will not bend over and let them have it their way, I'm sorry. Some other regular campers would see me showing up, run over out of hiding to tell me so-and-so was here, and did I barrel? They knew I didn't mind sharing the chances of loot..and I'd like to think that I gave them a chance at it when otherwise, they would have been screwed. I'm generous with fall times, I will trade loot, overall I try to make it a fun thing to do for myself.

Sorry if i'm raving and ranting, but you don't realize that this is...er WAS...the last thing in UO that I found enjoyable...have been in a dungeon twice in 7 years, haven't used a skill in 2 (cause i've no hope of pvp or getting all the equip needed to ever come close to succeeding when I play so little). All i've done in the last 2 years for enjoyment and a uo cash flow is idoc and deco contests...and tonite I've read about both going belly up for me. I'm kinda in mourning here. There's nothing left for me

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Wilki_EA VIP UO Designer

Hmm... maybe we outta make the potential window that a house will drop much larger.

*ducks*


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Ok lets see...

Water barrels were the only thing I could rely on to camp a specific item and be able to grab it before the house plot gets nailed down.

Water barrels ensure that no house plot goes down, so everyone can run around like a chicken with its head cut off and grab stuff.

Water barrels keep one person from nailing down a plot and grabbing most of the loot.

There are two things I would really, really like to see happen asap, if they are going to implement changes that affect how honest players play in a negative way: 1. they need to find some way to fix script placing; 2. they need to get RID of the ability for people who pick up free accounts to place houses. I think that only if you have PAID at least one month for an account and not just set up a free 30 day trial, can you place a house. I'm sick of people getting free accounts then dropping plots all over the place in the hopes that it will net them a keep or better spot in a couple months. Then they only have to pay to reactivate the account and turn it into a house they can sell for millions. It's totally ridiculous.

I'm an honest player, I've never set up a free account to get a house or house spot. I think houses should only belong to people who PAY to play the game.

Water barrels were a great equalizer. And now, it's going to be very disheartening to camp houses, if not completely unenjoyable.


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Wilki and Jeremy, read Sarsmi's post, please: when the smartest person here talks, you should listen.

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Ok I have a quick question for all you idoc peeps, and Wilki too, I am currently watching a house that is idoc for a friend, it says demolition pending owned by osi, this house is in danger of colapse of course. Here's the twist, I read the bulleton board attched to the house and according to the posts it has been going idoc since last february, it apparently refreshes every time, I have two questions actually, one is does this thing change in in any when it's about to go true idoc, and true is it possible for a person to hack the bulliton board to make it look like it has been going idoc for a really long time? it has time and date stamps on it, that's why I ask that, plus to wilki, why can't a gm tell us whether we are wasting our time or not? Thanks gang and sorry for disrupting your discussion.


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OK I am not sure if anyone has stated this yet and how popular this is going to make me but I am going to lay it all on the line here.

All I do ingame is idoc and anything relating to house and tile counting and some aspects of running vendors and gming my idoc guild. My guild to the last person has at least one account that has a devoloped Stealther on it for the soul purpose of placing houses at idocs.Now I wouldnt say I am bye any stretch of the imagination I am a looter in the sense that I scam players or do anything below board while being a idocer but I do consider my playstyle one of being a looter. That means not only do we place at idocs but like anyone playing any playstyle competitvly we discorage others from idocs bye any legal way that is defined bye the rules.

If you have ever been against us at a idoc you know we dry loot and we place houses but we do not crack chests or drag spawn. My big issue here with this whole damm arguement and all the complaining is simple these things they are removing were bugs and never meant to be existing in the game as they are.Yes there are people that cheat but last time I checked there are ways to cheat in almost every aspect of this archaic game. But I also know that for every cheater there are those that dont that are accused of cheating bye those shades of grey people that think some things are ok and some are not.

Heres the bottom line. Its not ok that bugs or exploits exist in this game and its also not ok that they should be left in place for a counter measure against another cheat, script or exploit because that shouldnt exist in the game either.

They are trying to clean up everything wrong with UO and I for one am glad there being proactive.

I am also tired of everyone thinking everyone else is a cheater if they have no fact or truth to back it up. I for one can say with 100 percent certanty that I dont cheat or use any third party anything nor do I allow anyone else in my guild because I feel cheating is all about instant gratifcation and not about any long term satisfaction. I personaly dont even use uoassist because I get a thrill of know I can stomp most people at idocs and be the top idoc guild on my shard against anyone that is cheating or not.

Before anyone that does not know anything about me start calling me all sorts of names why dont you wait for a person that is from my home shard state there opinion of my character and honor and ingrity because I stand bye my reputation 100 percent and am just tired of people whinning that some bugs are ok if there reason to have the bug there.

Trust me I wrote off Luna houses long ago and my guild has not placed a house at a Luna fal in 2 years but somehow to many that still is not proof we dont script and it might just be that I have some of the best placers playing on Legends in my guild.

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Jeremy_EAMythic VIP UO Community Coordinator

It sounds like there are two main concerns here:

- Scripters place houses when an idoc falls to block access to the items dropped. Barrels used to be a way to prevent that, and this publish kills that tactic.

- Scripters sometimes use barrels to ensure they get good housing spots and prevent other folks from getting them.

Am I missing anything?




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Nope. You pretty much captured what the posters have been saying.

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There are deeper issues with house placement that also add to the issue, though not technically related to the water barrels. The main point is currently scripts can outplace place manual.


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Granted - I was referring to the issues with this particular patch note.

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Not just to block access. When someone places a plot once an IDOC has fallen, all items are bumped to the front left of the plot underneath the house sign. The person who placed the plot then grabs everything they can, and locks it down. The plot makes things so much easier for them because they don't have to carry things from the area (thus item weight is not an issue), and they don't have to limit their grabbing to only high-value items because they're not confined to the carrying capacity of their backpack/packmount. It's an unfair advantage. Plus, in most of my experiences with IDOC's, these plots are only placed specifically for the advantages I've outlined above. Once the house-placement timer has expired 7 days later, they uplift the plot and get ready for the next IDOC.

That's why, my suggestion is to make the area a no-placement zone for at least an hour once the IDOC has fallen. That will give people enough time to grab items in a more fair environment, it will stop players from using house placement as an advantage for loot gathering, and it will ensure that when a house is placed there later, it is for the sake of owning a house.

As for the fix that prevents barrels from blocking house placement, that is a good fix, and needs to remain in effect. It's just that an additional fix is needed to stop the main problem.


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I have played for many many years and have for IDOCS and real estate.
For the past 2 1/2 years Barrels have become quite popular and i won't mention for which guild for instance.Luna plots or any givin plots fields are casted among with bag balls or water barrels to prevent placement.They also love that giant snake/serpant tailsman to reveal in trammel and lure spawn on you.Then place all these fine homes on Ebay to pay a rent or light bill.
I'm just thrilled that it won't be an issue any longer.This had been needed for many years.It
s also funny how nooblets call people scripters cause they get beat,when clicking isn't scripting.Uo assist macro is legal and i use it.I have had many people page on me thinking i script on Atlantic and yet HELLO i'm still here all these years.So i approve of this method ...for the whiners go and work a skill and quit being lazy.Thank you and goodnight.

Uo Realestate Co.
Atlantic Shard.

One more thing..IDOCING isn't a skill.It's people that dclosed the acct and thus allowing home to decay and we get the loot(that wasn't ours to begin with)and here are the griefers complaining over loot they can't get.If a person places a plot and beats you take it like real life when you play a game of chess/tennis/baketball.Quit whining and griefing over somethign that was NEVER yours in the first place.

Osi-Shouldn;t favor or reconsider what they intended to do over a few griefers.MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE OSI IDOCING ISN'T A SKILL AND GET OVER IT!
THANKS.

uor.

Hunting for IDOCs and placing is a valid playstyle which has been in place since 1998. Taking it out of the game or altering it drastically would not be a good idea.