Thats my typical object of the new kinds of red.. no skill.

Yes stop insurance in fel!.. only the good reds will keep being red.
Wars and chaos vs order might come back into the game instead of just red vs blue.

Back with Statloss.. Yes never belived id say that... This game wasnt meant to have a population in pvp of 50% or more Red. a red should be something special.. someone that dares..
Bring back my bounty boards..!!!

I want to see first class reds taking risks... and what risk is it to run to yew gate fully insured.. no risk of statloss... PFFT pathetic pvp.

you guys gotta move on. it is 2007, not 1997. things have changed....

Well you gotta admit.. it would help Wars and Chaos/Order.. Since now no one is in a chaos or order guild.. no one uses the WAR option more than the rp guilds..

Red vs Blue is getting boring... Pvp should also be about losing something... Being a murderer and die should be about losing something.. If you want to pvp.. WAR!

About losing something? Being red you lose enough. You cant buy things in town, some skills are absolutely harder to gain (ninjitsu). You get attacked by mobbing blues at the gate (guard zone hugging). And if you die you lose 3k+. If you lost your shirt every time you played, no one would be red. If anything they should either take guards out of Felucia or let reds into Trammel. People who only play blue characters wouldn't like that? No, well we dont like blues making it harder on red either =/

The new PUB hit and as of now...all mages are wrestle parry mages or necros. Warriors have a distinct advantage with aids just as I thought would happen. I play a 3/5 chiv/dexer with healing and my specials are still working WHILE IM HEALING (not with chiv). Sorry for the caps but over a mage, that is a distinct advantage. I can't heal while a warrior hits me and try to disarm him at the same time. That is fine, it makes it a little bit harder to play a mage. This PUB is forcing mages to pick up parry and perhaps wrestling to compete with very fast shooting archers and warriors who can keep right on top of you. To me this has made the game even more imbalanced. A parry mage can sit there and dump on a warrior without fear of even getting hit now, before mages played characters with ninja, poisoning, and other offensive tactics, now its a game of who has better defense. Completely unfair to warrior, if anything you should be thanking your lucky stars you have the option to heal and use specials. After pvping all day yesterday I am very dissappointed in the change. I enjoy the fact that evasion mages are gone, but we are filled with necros now. And necromancy is by far the most overpowered skill against mages. (and warriors with blood oath)

Update: PvP is dead. UO has become NO - necromancy online.

pvp has been dead for a very long time.... the game itself is on its last leg of life support..

Your acting like the not being able to go to town as a red is a disadvantage taht should be rectified by PvP? Yes the disadvantage of being red is you get ganked and cant go to towns, but the advantage is you can attack whoever you want.

What Gnomy is saying is that there is NO RISK for anyone, the best thing about UO is that there used always to be risk of losing items/statloss/fame/karma whatever! Now its jus...*run to yew gate* *Spam holy light* *automatically collect 3k* *leave*.

Insurance Sucks!

losing 3k.. Wow.. haha.. Being red is as being Blue..

you can walk into almost all cities in fell.. atleast i do.. i can bank all over..
i just wanted to bring back Wars again... city fights.. since yew gate sucks hard.

Would you be happy if when a red dies an angel loses its wings? I mean seriously, 3k might not be a lot to a rich red but, to some it is. Sure items used to drop when you died in pvp. How much money did it take for you to get back those items 3k? Stat loss? Yeah I would go for that again if reds were allowed in trammel. Reds are only allowed in Fel, that is thier punishment for being red. You can't attack 'anyone', if you do the guards will wack you. As a red you have to wait and allow someone to attack you, or they will just run and sit in guards with the million other blues all spamming for the guards to kill you. In my experience its always the blues running thier mouth when they kill a red. Like they accomplished something great by ganking someone. Go red and die 100 times = 300k-500k and say that isnt a loss. Then kill 100 people gaining 300k and tell me that isnt a gain?

You want progression in pvp...take away fel, take away guard zone. You will have your bloody war. There are free shards?

As a blue you CAN attack anyone you want. You just have to leave your character logged into a place where people frequent. That way you lose the count in a day or so. The only difference between blue pvpers and red pvpers is that the blue ones sit in town all the time to burn counts while the reds revel in the fact that they have over 3k long term murder counts. It is a preference and being red isnt to be exiled, it is to be revered.