I refuse to play your game Dev Team [another long thread folks...tabby]

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You gave power scrolls to the mega guilds in felucca. When they first came out the rules were set that gave non mega guilds a chance. You removed statloss and death teleport from champ spawns. Now it is all about the mega guilds controlling the most valuable resource in the game.

Now you have these books that you need to get armor that completes a set and some weapon and for who knows what else. But you make it fame based in dungeons. So again you set up VICTIMS to the gank squads and mega guilds by giving them targets in set locations.

It would be one thing if people didn't have to worry about being engaged. But to have the raids and the stealthers appear as your being beaten down is wrong.

All this to give the PKs more victims?

Sure some that play non prime time can benefit as I have been reading. But those of us who have a normal work schedule are hosed.

Well I say NO THANK YOU.

If i really want the items I will buy them in 4-5 months when they are worthless. But yet again you turn away your playerbase in decisions.

I think the drop rate of Trammel should be examined. I am not asking to have it the same as felucca. But reports state people trying for 4-5 hours and getting nothing yet in felucca they report 10 in under an hour.

Keep the rates in felucca the way they are but make it REASONABLE for people that do not wish to be FORCED to pv

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These items are going to be available in different ways in the future.

I'm not a PVPer either and have gotten one book in who-knows-how-many hours of dungeon crawling (something I also normally don't do).

I swear most of the posts on Stratics are PVPers complaining about how Trammies suck and Trammies have it better and as soon as something like this comes along, it's suddenly a majority of the posts complaining about how people in Fel have it better.

If the grass is too green on the other side, adjust the color on your monitor.

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OP, no offense, but you've been really whiny lately. I get a book every few dragons in Destard on my fencer. Maybe you should try something that isn't a tamer.

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I play on Atlantic, the most populated of all the shards and I spent hours hunting in Fel yesterday without seeing a single red...It's not as bad as you people make it out to be, and I am one of the biggest Trammies in UO.
I got like 26 in a hour where I was hunting and a lot of gold...

If you don't want to take the risk then make the lines in Trammel with the lower drop rate. =[
I personally love taking the risk so I don't have to wait in line or compete with 400 other people in a small area. And as a plus, if someone moves in on my spot I can either kill them or call in reds from my guild. =D

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This is directed to the dev team. If Dennar leaves, I will be very concerned. I know he's serious about being on the edge of quitting over this. He logged out angry tonight.

he's right about a few things.

Years ago the Dev team made the frustratingly stupid decision to remove recall from felucca dungeons and T2A. You basically made it so that dungeons are pvp only--unconsensual pvp at that since you can't recall away if you don't want to fight.

And now you make a PVM event in felucca dungeons and DID NOT restore recall.

I had no problem doing pvm in dungeons before there was a trammel, but we had recall back then.

You took away recall (and added stun and dismount and so many more other stupid things).

Take away the fame element in these new books and make there be no advantage to felucca pvm over trammel pvm. That or give us back our recall.

Seriously.

Thanks.

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OP

I am sorry if you think I have been whiny lately.

I dont have a tamer.

But what is your point?

I tried bringing up a point and offered a possible solution.

and

...I just left a meeting where it was pointed out about a few of the LS mega guilds are out camping some of the dungeons.

If you dont mind killing someone or being killed that is your choice.

I did not ask for the rate in felucca to be dropped. I asked that they examine the drop rate in Trammel and consider it. I also said I will wait and BUY the items someday if I choose.

I object to being made targets. Let the spawn be all over felucca--not just trap people in non recallable set locations.

You cant recall out. The number of locations in dungeons with the fame based monsters is limited.

It is a shame people dont recognize this as a putting fish in a barrel and giving the mega guilds a shotgun.


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...I really don't give a crap about Evil In A Can.

It ruined our dungeons and T2A.

Just because 100 people on a shard of 10,000 people will hate it if people can recall away from them, I don't give a hill of beans.

We need our recall back. I'm completely unsympathetic, especially to this group of people that is unsympathetic to me.

p.s. just to be clear, my words are not directed at you personally.

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Ya it seems the developers have no new ideas for making pvp fun, so they give in to easy fixes. Makes me sad of all the great ideas in these boards going to waste while they put in lame quests(stolen from other games) artys that ruin general loot and other pointless timewasters.

Blackrock was starting to get fun, skill gain, quests,infected creatures, no overpowered weps, no scripting...Whoever thought of this should get a raise, whoever put in those lame kill 10 creature quests should be whipped severly with a wet noodle.

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This is directed to the dev team. If OP leaves, I will be very concerned. I know he's serious about being on the edge of quitting over this. He logged out angry tonight.

he's right about a few things.

Years ago the Dev team made the frustratingly stupid decision to remove recall from felucca dungeons and T2A. You basically made it so that dungeons are pvp only--unconsensual pvp at that since you can't recall away if you don't want to fight.

And now you make a PVM event in felucca dungeons and DID NOT restore recall.

I had no problem doing pvm in dungeons before there was a trammel, but we had recall back then.

You took away recall (and added stun and dismount and so many more other stupid things).

Take away the fame element in these new books and make there be no advantage to felucca pvm over trammel pvm. That or give us back our recall.

Seriously.

Thanks.

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"If OP leaves, I will be very concerned. I know he's serious about being on the edge of quitting over this. He logged out angry tonight."

- I'm trying really hard not to use the Bonami rating system here.. ;P I'll spare you though because it sucked big TBH.. He's ANGRY? OH NOES!? O RLY? /Ruin day?

"Seriously."

- SRSLY?.. OMG... Naw! Can't be..!

>.>

Get real. Both of you...!

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Thats because pvpers cheat more and cheaters derserve what they get (a big bag of nothing)

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Jeremy_EAMythic UO Community Coordinator

OP, I looked at the drop rate, and it is the exact same difference as all other resources - Fel drops are doubled. It's a significant difference, but nothing like you're describing.

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OP
Your post is anything but a whine.
However, there are a lot Stratics posters who
can't or won't read with understanding. This
makes them defensive and thus they lash out.
I agree with everything in your post and add that
the Devs also promised PScrolls would never be
"needed/required" in game.

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I did wonder if the Devs thought making drops better in Felucca was a way to draw people to that facet. If that was the case, it worked. BUT -- I keep reading posts from pk'rs not PvP'rs that are thanking the Devs and acting like Christmas came around again.

Let's make it clear. PvP is not the same as PK'ing. If the Devs thought that this would promote PvP, they're seriously confused. I am not complaining about getting pk'd. I find it amusing. Dying in the game is trivial. I regularly hunt in Felucca because it isn't camped. And when I encounter a red, I get killed. That doesn't make me never go back, but let's just say from those experiences, my support for non-consensual pvp diminishes. I've never understood why reds kill indiscriminately. What is the point in killing a mule character chopping wood? It's nothing to prance around a corpse about.

Risk vs. Reward, blah blah. I get it. You know what's more likely to happen than Trammel folks discovering the "new found wonders" of Felucca dungeons? They're more likely to rationalize that it's worth the risk of getting pk'd for the quest item, but it'll cement their aversion and dislike of non-consensual "pvp". Then the blood donor pool will dry up as the quest ends. The Devs will then have to devise another carrot on a stick method to feed the insatiable and ever-growing demand for victims. Is victim the wrong word? Should I pretty it up by calling them "battle opponents?"

The romance of engaging is battle quickly dissolves when the reality is that the battle is one-sided. Me? I'll give an "all kill" command with my last breath knowing full well that my pet and I are going to die. I like that more people are in Felucca. But this risk vs. reward thing hasn't worked in the past so well has it? Felucca is dead for a reason. I suspect it has to do with the "getting murdered" part, more than the "dying" part.

My personal ingame goal is to learn to pvp. I look forward to becoming a formidable warrior. It's going to take me a long time to get the proper gear, but I've always found pvp'ing exciting. There's a lingering romantic notion in my head about heroically reclaiming Felucca back from decay and death. And damnit, if I could get that stupid crimson cincture, I'd be one step closer!

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the only reason the books are droping faster in fel is becasue the fame is doubled .


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Jeremy_EAMythic UO Community Coordinator
****, your thought interests me. I'll check on that in the morning - that could indeed be causing a discrepancy...


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I dont think he is insulting but pointing out fact. I am pretty sure I am one of the people he mentions in having all the new stuff and not stepping foot in fel.

Day one I collected 93 books in despise at titans, lizerdmen and ogre lords
6:30pm I turned in 50 books for the gorget, 25 for a sword i hate
and 11 books for more ye candy to take up storage.

Day Two too much Great Zoogi hunt stuff to do to hunt much 12 books in 2 hrs

today I hunted Wrong, and covetous for 3.5 hrs and walked out with 32 books

I Just dont see the problem here. if in the first day a noob like me can have 93 books hunting mid lvl stuff then anyone can get atleast 25 for the sword (that I hate) Id be more pissed about the uber slow swing speed of that piece of crap. than the drop rate

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Jeremy_EAMythic UO Community Coordinator

To clarify: I need to check on this, because it's late and my blood sugar is low, but if there's a 2x modifier on top of a 2x fame bonus, that would cause a 4x difference instead of 2x. I'm not sure which is intended or, frankly, if there really is a 2x fame bonus (my fuzzy, aged brain tells me so, the website has no opinion). So... endure one more night of uncertainty, eh?

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Wilki UO Designer

"Monsters in Felucca will provide more fame and karma." Which translates into double fame and karma.


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Interesting, I was always under the impression it was 100% as well.

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But is that translating correctly?

In about 8 hours of killing elder gazers, blood elementals and balrons in Tram, I only received 3 books and I think 1 of them may have been an oversight when soeone did not loot a gargoyle.

The reports we are seeing do not support a 2:1 ration.

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Last post [ and best ] highlights this kind gesture.Would be nice if all shards Fel players did this

Sorry to hear about the problems people are having with Fel dungeons. I understand on LS there will be an event for players to have protection for an amount of time in Fel this week to gather books. I opted out of this event this time because I felt it unfair to mages not able to use 8th circle spells when other classes were left alone (and no its not about wanting to farm with EV's. It's a principle thing with me and a major fault of mine, sorry *grins*)

Whatever happens, happy hunting to you all and I hope a happy medium is found with Jeremy looking into it for you.