Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 07:57 AM

I doubt you would be saying that if you where roleplaying an stealther in the rp community on europa.

**Ezekiel** · 20th October 2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DiP

There's a problem with stealth?

Seriously, if your getting revealed too often, your doing something wrong.

I dont have a problem with mobs (so long as Im not in any ML Dungeon) but players? I literally cant walk by them. There is very little chance that I wont be revealed...

**Maddux** · 20th October 2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by John Dell

I doubt you would be saying that if you where roleplaying an stealther in the rp community on europa.

And the point of this statement is what??? Europa has the almighty detect all glasses??? We play stealthiers on very highly competitive pvp shards, where nothing is scripted out or protected by a very badly nerf'd set of rules. If we get detected, there is no where to run, and nothing we are carrying is protected by the yellow bag rule.

If your getting detected way too much, your obiously doing something wrong. Re-evaluate the type of armor your wearing and your approach to your intended mark. The number of birds, and other small creatures.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 08:52 AM

That's exactly what I ment. They all wear detect glasses.

Then I suppose you could tell me some usefull tips then? As it doesn't seem to matter what I do, walking in a building with someone on the second floor I get detected.

**DiP** · 20th October 2006, 12:37 PM

I stealth around the Barracoon Idol in Fel while the gold is still dropping with anywhere between 4-8 people grabbing away at the gold. I've been revelead 2 times out of 10 so far (20% is rather low for it being a tight area and little to no cover) and once I stole a PS thus revealing myself so I won't count that.

As stated before, check the armor your wearing.

Couple helpful bits:

Always stay next to something(wall, rock, etc), not someone.
Pay attention to how many tiles you've stepped since your last stealth/hide check.
IF your getting close to another check, step away from anyone nearby.
Do not move near anyone unless you plan to attack, and refer back to your step count.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 12:57 PM

Thanks dude. I barely get revealed when standing still. But it's when I move about near them, so walking with a wall against me and checking the stealth steps will help with that. What armour should one not use? Except for the ovious metals

**DiP** · 20th October 2006, 01:16 PM

Yup, that's something not mentioned in most places, using stealth actually takes a little skill (not just wandering around expecting to be hidden forever even if you are walking in circles around someone).

Studded leather also is a hamper, basically any non-med armor (mage armor property does not count AFAIK).

And yes, I will add again, pay attention to your hide/stealth checks and your distance to anyone when you are going to be checked.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 01:20 PM

So 80 in stealth isn't enough? (as what I heard is that 80 is when you never fail when stealthing.)

**DiP** · 20th October 2006, 01:24 PM

80 will never fail a check with NOTHING AROUND and all leather armor on or nekkid.

1 Piece of metal armor will give you a significant chance to fail at 80 stealth.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 01:32 PM

Oh okay. Because my nightmares in the undead are stealthers and all leather wearing (except for the bone skull). And I don't know what template I should have. I want to fit ninjitsu and poisoning in but it's hard to decrease on things.

So far I got

90 Anatomy (Lock on 90)
110 Fencing (Lock on 110)
85.9 Focus (Lock on 55)
85 Healing (Lock on 90)
95 Hiding (Lock on 90)
101.2 Ninjitsu (Lock on 110)
29.5 Poisoning (Lock on 80 (we need atleast 70 to be able to use poison on our weapons))
85 Stealth (Lock on 80)

Total when finished: 705

Stats are like this:

80 Str
110 Dex
45 Int
----
235 (Max allowed 235)

What do you reckon?

**DiP** · 20th October 2006, 01:37 PM

Take all points needed (i.e. I'd suggest gm'ing stealth at a minimum) from Focus, if any left over, use Focus in increments of 20.

John Dell · 20th October 2006, 01:38 PM

Why have focus on 20 though? I mean from ML all humans have 20 in everything right?

20th October 2006, 07:57 AM	#13
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. I doubt you would be saying that if you where roleplaying an stealther in the rp community on europa.

20th October 2006, 08:52 AM	#16
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. That's exactly what I ment. They all wear detect glasses. Then I suppose you could tell me some usefull tips then? As it doesn't seem to matter what I do, walking in a building with someone on the second floor I get detected.

20th October 2006, 12:37 PM	#17
DiP Ronin Join Date: Jan 2006 Shard: Black Water Raiders, Azeroth Posts: 8,901 Thanks: 88 Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. I stealth around the Barracoon Idol in Fel while the gold is still dropping with anywhere between 4-8 people grabbing away at the gold. I've been revelead 2 times out of 10 so far (20% is rather low for it being a tight area and little to no cover) and once I stole a PS thus revealing myself so I won't count that. As stated before, check the armor your wearing. Couple helpful bits: Always stay next to something(wall, rock, etc), not someone. Pay attention to how many tiles you've stepped since your last stealth/hide check. IF your getting close to another check, step away from anyone nearby. Do not move near anyone unless you plan to attack, and refer back to your step count. __________________ Thanks again Maddux! Adri: women don't discuss men while in the bathroom, we sacrifice small animals and smoke tampons rolls eyes

20th October 2006, 12:57 PM	#18
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. Thanks dude. I barely get revealed when standing still. But it's when I move about near them, so walking with a wall against me and checking the stealth steps will help with that. What armour should one not use? Except for the ovious metals

20th October 2006, 01:16 PM	#19
DiP Ronin Join Date: Jan 2006 Shard: Black Water Raiders, Azeroth Posts: 8,901 Thanks: 88 Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. Yup, that's something not mentioned in most places, using stealth actually takes a little skill (not just wandering around expecting to be hidden forever even if you are walking in circles around someone). Studded leather also is a hamper, basically any non-med armor (mage armor property does not count AFAIK). And yes, I will add again, pay attention to your hide/stealth checks and your distance to anyone when you are going to be checked. __________________ Thanks again Maddux! Adri: women don't discuss men while in the bathroom, we sacrifice small animals and smoke tampons rolls eyes

20th October 2006, 01:20 PM	#20
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. So 80 in stealth isn't enough? (as what I heard is that 80 is when you never fail when stealthing.)

20th October 2006, 01:24 PM	#21
DiP Ronin Join Date: Jan 2006 Shard: Black Water Raiders, Azeroth Posts: 8,901 Thanks: 88 Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. 80 will never fail a check with NOTHING AROUND and all leather armor on or nekkid. 1 Piece of metal armor will give you a significant chance to fail at 80 stealth. __________________ Thanks again Maddux! Adri: women don't discuss men while in the bathroom, we sacrifice small animals and smoke tampons rolls eyes

20th October 2006, 01:32 PM	#22
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. Oh okay. Because my nightmares in the undead are stealthers and all leather wearing (except for the bone skull). And I don't know what template I should have. I want to fit ninjitsu and poisoning in but it's hard to decrease on things. So far I got 90 Anatomy (Lock on 90) 110 Fencing (Lock on 110) 85.9 Focus (Lock on 55) 85 Healing (Lock on 90) 95 Hiding (Lock on 90) 101.2 Ninjitsu (Lock on 110) 29.5 Poisoning (Lock on 80 (we need atleast 70 to be able to use poison on our weapons)) 85 Stealth (Lock on 80) Total when finished: 705 Stats are like this: 80 Str 110 Dex 45 Int ---- 235 (Max allowed 235) What do you reckon?

20th October 2006, 01:37 PM	#23
DiP Ronin Join Date: Jan 2006 Shard: Black Water Raiders, Azeroth Posts: 8,901 Thanks: 88 Thanked 54 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. Take all points needed (i.e. I'd suggest gm'ing stealth at a minimum) from Focus, if any left over, use Focus in increments of 20. __________________ Thanks again Maddux! Adri: women don't discuss men while in the bathroom, we sacrifice small animals and smoke tampons rolls eyes

20th October 2006, 01:38 PM	#24
John Dell Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Shard: Europa Posts: 971 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Devs: Feeback from TC on stealth changes. Why have focus on 20 though? I mean from ML all humans have 20 in everything right?

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