Deraj

anytime someone brings up elves it obviously not a dead horse... *smiles*

People will be people no matter the medium they are interacting with...it is the person and people involved in that medium that make or break any community that may exist or may create.. there are plenty of MUDs still that have communities in the context of that games world.. that have just text to use to build their imaginations with

On LS one of the earliest communities was Tel'Ruid created by the elven guild "the grey company" aka TGC and it wasnt created because of PKs or other twits, but because of the desire to have a town.. a elven village in the world the characters lived in...to have a virtual community, it still exists, it survived the move to trammel even.. its not as populated as the early days but it still exists and there are still folks who are dedicated to it it survives because there are players who still have the desire to do so...

Suppose this is a view that not many hold and will find everything under the sun to place blame on as the cause of destruction other than where it belongs.. on the players.

People are in general and for the most part the cause of many things, especially in UO.. our actions have caused EA to do many things even if EA reacted in the incorrect way of resolving the actions of the players.. we are still the cause....at least in the past

Now.. EA is ...... dont know what to say about them and KR still...

I don't dispute what you say; in the very end, when it comes right down to it, it's the people that make or break a community. Agreed 100%.

However, consider this: I could plant a flower in a less-than-suitable environment, a habitat which is not at all optimal for the flower's growth, and yet, with some effort and perseverance, help that flower to grow with careful care. Yet, if I planted this same flower in a far more optimal environment, it would require less effort on my part; in other words, it could conceivably grow on its own, naturally.

People will work hard to maintain communities, and these are the strong communities, but when a community breaks down, it can be especially difficult to An Corp it, so to speak. And this goes especially for some communities that relied on systems that, over time, have been downgraded, neglected, or removed. Kudos to the Grey Company for surviving the ages. Kudos to Crossroads of Yew, even, for striving to maintain their preAOS ways in a postAOS world. They have my undying respect.

*Chuckles*
Nay sir I speak not of the subject but of the debate itself. For anyone that has read my old arguments on elves in past times would perhaps groan if I were to open my mouth to such a debate again.

Well I dont believe that UO necessarily needs RG back. Don't get me wrong it would be nice to have him back. UO just needs a visionary period. Someone who can re-invent the world and create the vision of the players, not the vision of corporate greed.

Wow. If I were depressed right now I might quit UO after reading your assessment. But I likely would come back quickly.

I agree with most of what you say. But I play UO differently than most and I can have fun (so far) with whatever they throw at us. But if the graphics of KR (thank you Adam for the videos) do not greatly improve during the beta I will likely not play KR and stick to 2D. I have only seen glimpses of the UI briefly but that does not concern me as much as the fuzzy images of the game.

We shall see.

I signed up, just to say "I LOL'd"

But the quality of the debate makes me feel that would be epically cheap.
My view on KR debates has become jaded, thanks to Uhall, so now I sit here, having read the entire thread, in obsolute shock. Who would have thought it possible for a thread like this to avoid a flood of trolls and flames?

Anyway.
I'm cautiously optimistic for KR.
The beta runs like hell on my computer. It runs at about 10fps, crashes regularly enough to make testing anything near impossible, is filled to the teeth with bugs of all shapes and sizes, and generally doesn't fill me with confidence.
But the devs are trying, at least. Every cloud has a silver-lining, although they may not have implemented the art yet, so the cloud may have a silver imp.
Optimism is probably my weakest point, but if all else fails, I can play 2D until they pull the plug. All I need is a client that runs for RP

Firstly Welcome to UOForums Kiminality,were always glad to have our 'cousins' over here to join in


Well thats a great compliment,thankyou,I am sure everyone here will appreciate youre comment.

It seems that is becoming our legacy,that we do manage that very thing,although we do occassionally have to put on the 'steel toe capped boots ' *grins*


Look forward to reading more of your posts

Have fun

Welcome Kiminality

Hope you enjoy your stay.

Seconded.

Glad to have you here.

I must be a bad omen; my mere arrival derails thread

Thanks for the welcomes, makes me feel... welcome...
God, that sounded more stupid than I expected. A typically epic start for me

I love rants!

some good posts!

Sadly i cant think at moment, so i wont rant myself...

Wait for a Gnomy Rant tomorrow about KR.

Back on topic. I think a lot of grievences come from waiting. There are tons of things that everyone wants looked at/fixed/changed/implemented/etc. that have been lingering for weeks/months/years that any time/work spent on something else *cough*KR*cough* just magnifies the effect.

On top of player demand and their higher ups, I give the dev team a pass on why some things implemented (see: Tokuno/Heartwood) didn't quite "fit" or "enter" into Sosaria correctly, although everyone will have opinions on how it should have been done, none would be correct or agreed by all. Sad thing is, I'm sure EA/Devs have "endstate" in mind (it's in now, it'll be torn apart/commented on/ranted about, but after that blows over, it's ok), while there are still players who still think about the entire aspect (how DID we miss that tree for so long?).

Couldn't see the wood for trees?