I just have to vent somewhere

merth · 10th May 2008, 12:21 PM

first let me preface this by saying I have absolutely no knowledge of any of this...but hackers will often put items up for sale on auction then create a second acct and outbid everyone..then they transfer said items to another UO acct and sometimes transfer again..thus making the trail harder to follow. Also what this does it make it appear to EA as if the final holder is innocent of everything.

galefan2004 · 10th May 2008, 12:26 PM

I've played UO for over 8 years on and off and I have never bought a single rare. When you are willing to take on assumed risk you should realize you might get screwed in the end. If you have an extreme collection of rares then bragging about it is asking for trouble.

On the other hand, ICQ is a great way to allow for account insecurities, and clicking on any message you did not specifically solicit is also asking for trouble.

Lord Target · 10th May 2008, 01:41 PM

Sorry about what happened to your friend, I recently lost my entire house full of rares due to a un-seen billing error during my hiatus, so I know the feeling. I however, didn't have any uber-rares worth insane gold in the house.

Has your friend went through the proper legal channels (file a police report, first off) to see that the hacker is prosecuted? Hacker attacks causing damage and crossing state lines is a felony and the FBI will most likely get involved once he files a police report.

Computer crimes happen often these days, but the people committing them think they're invulnerable and can get away with it. Have your friend start the legal battle and tell him to please not let this guy get away with it. From the sounds of it the entire bids on the auction site sound staged as a legit way to move the merchandise away from his 'hacker account'.

He may try it again; don't let him get the chance.

Kaj · 10th May 2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kratos Aurion

Manticore, the museum I believe you're refering to is owned by "Of the Ring" if Im not mistaken.

I'm not sure of his background but I've talked to him off and on over the past year. He seems legit and sincere but who am I to judge?

I've even sold him a few things over the past year he paid retail for but that doesn't mean he isn't what I think hes not.

He told me he traded for all his stuff. Hes pretty nice when you talk with him ingame and he seems pretty devoted. I can't vouch for him but I don't believe hes the guy who hacked your friend.

"I think as a one of the newer members of the rare's community, that we should blacklist his museum and make sure that he will not be able to deal those items to anyone."

And Elbryan, being new to the community and judging someone off hand is probably an easier way to get into the blacklist. If you don't know how someone obtained his/her items and immediatly yield "blacklist", you're throwing out accusations that are potientially false.

It takes strong evidence to prove someone obtained the items through questionable methods. Otherwise, how do you prove he didn't buy them with his own gold or bought them with cash?

Back when the items first came up for sale I was in contact with the guy who put them on the auction on EU. His name was 'UORares Trade'.
I am not sure if this 'of the Ring' person actually bought Trade's stuff, but I think it's the same person. Trade also stopped using ICQ and 'of the Rings's (ICQ name: Lord of the Ring) ICQ no. is suddenly on the house plot, where the hacked items were on display. The house owner hasn't changed though, which leads me to believe that it's the same person, who just tried to adapt a new image.
I have talked to this Lord of Ring person and his writing style is similar and is just very dodgy.

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Here is how I see it. The hacker openly had those items up for sale on Europa or UOAuction2. Everyone who bid on any of the big items got outbided by crazy amounts from someone no one knows.

I am not sure when this happened, but I know several people that bought stuff, prior to it becoming well known that it concerned hacked stuff, for relatively low prices. I personally bought 1 item and it was pretty cheap. (this was before anyone on EU or Stratics knew it was hacked stuff, so I wasn't knowingly profiting from someone's demise.)

Piotr · 10th May 2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MalagAste

I suppose I should breathe a sigh of relief that I haven't really anything of interest or value really in game.... and that I can't afford to buy super rares.... but really a collection of rares that is hosted by individuals belongs to the community.... and it is the community that loses when things like this happen.... If these items were taken from another shard then it is that entire community that has lost something special... many of these things are rare moments of history..... Unfortunatly when things like this occur much of that history is lost... forgotten.... certainly the new owners don't have a clue the significance of many of the items other than their uniqueness....

I hate EA for allowing Character Transfer. I know it's too late now, but to save the last pieces of shard history that are left, they should make Character Transfering naked character only!

Pickaxe Pete · 10th May 2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Piotr

they should make Character Transfering naked character only!

Fine with me..... would it hurt anything to allow bank checks too? I can't think of a reason why not.

Manti.... I remember hearing about this misfortune before and I am always sorry to hear it.

In a way, the same thing happened to people who's vine cords got deleted. Sure, everyone laughs, but if one were to invest possibly all of their uo earnings over years into something and have it taken away, it is pretty much the same feeling this guy must have felt. Not saying anyone who bought them was a nice person (they may be) or did not know what they were doing (they may have), but it could have happened like this for some. Well, if it did, those people laughing will not have anyone left to laugh *at* pretty soon.

Something to keep in mind re: EA's unwillingness to reimburse people when they get hacked or actioned, either/or.

Thankfully I did not ever buy vine cords myself, but this whole player pitchfork-waving forcing the dev's hands just pisses me off.

Since this is a venting thread, I figured why not. Maybe someone will understand the other side a little bit -- I tried!

Sebrina · 11th May 2008, 02:24 AM

*sigh* I just hate that stuff.

Calell · 11th May 2008, 12:13 PM

I agree, I think char xfer was one of the biggest causes of UO downfall. People don't have to work anymore for something to be proud of, they just move it all. And some actually get joy out of taking away a shard's history

Kaj · 11th May 2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Calell

I agree, I think char xfer was one of the biggest causes of UO downfall. People don't have to work anymore for something to be proud of, they just move it all. And some actually get joy out of taking away a shard's history

I disagree. It has actually concentrated rares collections and improved the economy a lot. Now prices are pretty equal on all shards, and collectors are able to get a lot of new rares. Prior to xshard many collectors I knew got frustrated since they either owned all the rares available on their shard or there just weren't any for sale. Now a collector can consider many different shards and sellers. Yes this does mean an event item might leave the shard, but that still means a local collector didn't jump on it, and it's still possible to buy stuff back.
And you make a mistake, they have worked for it, just on another shard. Back in the day quite a few people would just buy a vet account for a specific server and trade their stuff via a broker.

Plus the people make the shard and its history. Not just the items.

As people left UO many shards got a bit empty. Shard transfers kept the economy healthy and the high end players happy.

Piotr · 11th May 2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaj

I disagree. It has actually concentrated rares collections and improved the economy a lot. Now prices are pretty equal on all shards, and collectors are able to get a lot of new rares. Prior to xshard many collectors I knew got frustrated since they either owned all the rares available on their shard or there just weren't any for sale. Now a collector can consider many different shards and sellers. Yes this does mean an event item might leave the shard, but that still means a local collector didn't jump on it, and it's still possible to buy stuff back.
And you make a mistake, they have worked for it, just on another shard. Back in the day quite a few people would just buy a vet account for a specific server and trade their stuff via a broker.

Plus the people make the shard and its history. Not just the items.

As people left UO many shards got a bit empty. Shard transfers kept the economy healthy and the high end players happy.

I utterly disagree 110%!

1. concentrated rares collections - and that's a good thing? I think NOT!

2. Improved the economy ROTFLMAO

3. Yes this does mean an event item might leave the shard, but that still means a local collector didn't jump on it, and it's still possible to buy stuff back. Yeah righty... if you got 500 gazillion gp or an equivalent amount in rl cash!

4. Shard transfers kept the economy healthy and the high end players happy. Yeah right! High end players... pffft!

Come again...

10th May 2008, 12:21 PM	#21
merth "Can Set Custom Title" Join Date: Nov 2006 Shard: Set AoC Posts: 1,708 Gold: 1,155 My Mood: Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 20 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Re: I just have to vent somewhere first let me preface this by saying I have absolutely no knowledge of any of this...but hackers will often put items up for sale on auction then create a second acct and outbid everyone..then they transfer said items to another UO acct and sometimes transfer again..thus making the trail harder to follow. Also what this does it make it appear to EA as if the final holder is innocent of everything.

10th May 2008, 12:26 PM	#22
galefan2004 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 99 Gold: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: I just have to vent somewhere I've played UO for over 8 years on and off and I have never bought a single rare. When you are willing to take on assumed risk you should realize you might get screwed in the end. If you have an extreme collection of rares then bragging about it is asking for trouble. On the other hand, ICQ is a great way to allow for account insecurities, and clicking on any message you did not specifically solicit is also asking for trouble.

10th May 2008, 01:41 PM	#23
Lord Target Elder Virtue Knight Join Date: May 2008 Shard: Catskills Posts: 278 Gold: 5,158 My Mood: Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 92 Thanked 59 Times in 41 Posts	Re: I just have to vent somewhere Sorry about what happened to your friend, I recently lost my entire house full of rares due to a un-seen billing error during my hiatus, so I know the feeling. I however, didn't have any uber-rares worth insane gold in the house. Has your friend went through the proper legal channels (file a police report, first off) to see that the hacker is prosecuted? Hacker attacks causing damage and crossing state lines is a felony and the FBI will most likely get involved once he files a police report. Computer crimes happen often these days, but the people committing them think they're invulnerable and can get away with it. Have your friend start the legal battle and tell him to please not let this guy get away with it. From the sounds of it the entire bids on the auction site sound staged as a legit way to move the merchandise away from his 'hacker account'. He may try it again; don't let him get the chance.

11th May 2008, 02:24 AM	#27
Sebrina Legendary Medium Join Date: May 2007 Shard: Chesapeake Posts: 51 Gold: 2,366 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Re: I just have to vent somewhere sigh I just hate that stuff. Good Journies!

11th May 2008, 12:13 PM	#28
Calell Red-Headed Stepchild Join Date: Dec 2006 Shard: Sonoma Posts: 987 Gold: 6,451 My Mood: Thanks: 94 Thanked 90 Times in 71 Posts	Re: I just have to vent somewhere I agree, I think char xfer was one of the biggest causes of UO downfall. People don't have to work anymore for something to be proud of, they just move it all. And some actually get joy out of taking away a shard's history "When the first baby laughed for the first time, the laugh broke into a thousand pieces and they went skipping about and that was the beginning of faeries." ~Sir J.M. Barrie "Miss Brant, that's NOT the position I hired you for."

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