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Old 17th November 2006, 11:15 AM   #1
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Email/Letter from Marion of RPGBay

This was an email/post (stratics & tradespot) Marion from RPGBay sent out, regarding the recent duping drama

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Dear all,

Last week was quite a tumultuous one for most of the UO sellers as the majority of the industry's biggest traders, from whom many of you used to innocently purchase gold and artifacts, had their accounts banned for possession and trade in duplicated items. The list of sellers that were banned is long and the names that I know of include Detox, Icy Raine, Leo, Luna Brokers, Malkor, MMORPG Warehouse, Nalithra, Parkay, Ultimas, UOResources, UOTreasures and Vita Drakonia. The only sellers who were unaffected were in fact those that did not choose to buy all the cheap artifacts that were being sold.

I'm sure most of the UO community will commend such a move on the part of Electronic Arts (EA). The banning and deletion of the duplicated items will go a long way to restoring the integrity of the game and accordingly our gaming enjoyment. The massive multiplication of currency and items has undermined, to an intolerable degree, the value of seeking them out for ourselves, winning them in battle or finding them in the strange and glorious parts of this fantasy world that we so love to inhabit. Duplicating items and the selling thereof undermines the very essence of gaming.

And, on that note, I would like to offer my most unreserved, wholehearted and sincere apologies to the entire UO gaming community and Electronic Arts because I was one of those sellers trading in duplicated items. In all honesty, it was a strategy adopted in line with the capitalist fundamentals of maximising profit. But it was also borne of necessity. As the proliferation of duplicated items in the market grew, it became impossible to remain competitive. In short there were too many sellers trading in duplicated gold and artifacts - a scenario that led to the price per million plummeting, squeezing profit margins to unsustainable levels if you weren't able to get your hands on the duplicated stuff.

Nonetheless, after eight years of trading I have lost all my accounts, believe me this has been a sobering experience and I have been forced to re-examine my motives. If the sellers of in-game commodities want to see our industry gain greater acceptance and credibility among the purist gamers and even the game developers themselves, we have to all have to resist and oppose such short-sighted tactics. There is a clear and justifiable demand for the sale of in-game goods and accordingly, I would like to see our 'industry' become a legitimate and sustainable means of doing business. And, so I offer my apologies not only to those in the community who have been prejudiced by my actions, but as a means of challenging all sellers to resist selling duplicated items. The legitimacy and sustainability of trading in virtual items is dependent on our integrity - we need to put the enjoyment of our customers first, not profits. Instead of trying to undercut each other by sourcing duplicated goods, we need to stand together in resisting the hacking of code. Let's meet customer's demands ethically. It can only be to our long-term advantage and those of our fellow gamers and customers.

So, to those I've prejudiced I offer my pledge not only to pursue ethical trade but to promote it too. And I'd like to ask your co-operation - be a discerning buyer and challenge your broker or re-seller to sell you items that haven't been duplicated. Competitors and colleagues - I hope you'll accept the challenge in the spirit in which it is intended. I'm feeling as devastated as you all by the daunting prospect of having to begin acquiring stock from scratch all over again. But more importantly, I share your concern that EA's informal tolerance of the sale of in-game commodities may be swinging in the direction of prohibition. Let us not give them reason to question the value of in-game trade and rather work with them to meet the needs of their gamers, our customers.

Sincerely

Marion

RPG-Bay.com


Co incedently, Marion has posted a few items on Ebay allready, including over 100 million gold and several artifacts, some of which were known to be duped (Crimson Cincture)

Surely the ethical and moral thing to do, would be to NOT return to the game you're permanently banned from and certainly not to start selling items again on eBay, some of which are known to have been the ones dupers were making in mass quantities?

*shrugs*

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Old 17th November 2006, 11:37 AM   #2
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Re: Email/Letter from Marion of RPGBay

It's a damn shame, but no different then any other business that only wnats to maximize profits consequences be damned.
The shame is, she is right, there is a great market for purchasing ingame items for those who's time is limited. Resources, gold. Sorry, but I believe this a great thing for gaming. Perhaps it's just time for the EA's to broaden what they actually sell and include things like resource packs and gold *shrugs*
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Old 17th November 2006, 02:05 PM   #3
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Isnt it against the rules to start up a new account after youve been banned?
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Old 17th November 2006, 02:08 PM   #4
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Old 17th November 2006, 02:34 PM   #5
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Isnt it against the rules to start up a new account after youve been banned?
True, but it can take a bit of time to track it all down, compare apples, oranges and decide if it's the same person. Can be quite time consuming. I'm sure they've probably added new tools since I was involved.
I have no problem saying that if anyone knows of these types coming back.
Drop a dime on em! :firestarter:
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Old 17th November 2006, 02:52 PM   #6
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Or a rather hefty rock
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It's a damn shame, but no different then any other business that only wnats to maximize profits consequences be damned.
The shame is, she is right, there is a great market for purchasing ingame items for those who's time is limited. Resources, gold. Sorry, but I believe this a great thing for gaming. Perhaps it's just time for the EA's to broaden what they actually sell and include things like resource packs and gold *shrugs*
I agree with what youre saying but it has some pretty far reaching implications.

For instance:

1. EA starts selling gold at 12.99/million. Maybe not so bad, brokers can still undercut the price but for a premium it comes straight from the mothership to your bankbox with added security.

2. EA starts selling gold at 8.99/million. Who isnt going to use EA? And all gold already in game could bring to deflate in value...

I think that it would end up being a thin line between leveling out the economy and bringing it right down...
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What if EA would be BUYING gold at 12.99/million

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Greed got the better of them. I can't feel sorry for any of them!
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Re: Email/Letter from Marion of RPGBay

I am glad to see an apology and an open admisson that someone was selling duped items purely for an economical reason to compete. It doesn't excuse the fact that they were selling duped items, what makes me upset is that they knowingly sold them to make a profit with no consideration to the buyer. Are they only sorry that they got caught and it will affect their business from this point on? Yes they are. Would they have been sorry if EA and The Developers decided to wipe all duped items every made or bought from the servers? No they wouldn't. I will be glad when EA makes it impossible for all these dupers and duper venders to ever return to UO.
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Re: Email/Letter from Marion of RPGBay

Maybe now that the big time resource suppliers are gone, my minor may once again have a job :-)
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Re: Email/Letter from Marion of RPGBay

Don't get me wrong, personally I'd rather it be handled by players than EA. But once again we're asking players for self-control.
Wonder what the Vegas odds are for player self control
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