iI totally agree with you vepl they r tram guilds, but like i tell my guildmates if you can't handle the spawns don't go

im of both a tramm guild and pvp guilds its unfair for a pvp guild get there scrolls for free hwile tramm guilds cause they lack numb for fel have to spend mils for em i think it should be like a peerless no other guilds can raid untill its over then it would allow a fighting chance

Oh I totally agree that some of the best fighting comes out of spawns. That is where I have probably racked up 99% of my counts at. But on the other hand, what if they were to make an ultra hard peerless type of scenerio like a champ spawn, that rewarded scrolls. Both types of players would have the opportunity to partake in getting them.

As far as not including WoWish types of things into UO, I think they already did it with peerlesses.....

That does sound neat Bo, having a super hard peerless to get ps.

The idea of having an ultra hard peerless drop scrolls is interesting. Do you think the players would learn, like they have with peerless's, and have people solo them? Also would this hurt felucca even more? Since no blue would ever need to go there

Vepl

Dev's would have to get creative so that peeps couldnt solo this peerless ( I mean make it this boss tuff, make the keys tuff as hell as well).

Will it kill fel, I dont think so pvp guilds will try to sell their scrolls but they will make less money maybe the devs will come up with something new for fel.

exactly. make it so there is ABSOLUTELY NO way that someone could solo it. Say you HAVE to have 5 people in there, or 10 or something, for it to even go off. Make the boss like as tough as the DF so you couldnt solo it, make the tiers spread out so that you had to kill soo many per minute or something so that 1 person could not do it themselves. It can be done, with enough planning and thought.

So, essentiall what the original poster would like to do is take away the entire reason for champ spawns existing (non-consensual pvp) and make them so anyone can get them at any time with basically no chance for a fight...good luck with that. The devs have repeatedly stated that champ spawns are meant to be a "risk vs. reward" activity, i.e. you have a greater risk (pks/pvpers) before you get a greater reward (scrolls) If you want instances, go play Wow. In UO, the is actually a chance that you might get killed (GASP) by another player if you are in Felucca. This game has become so trammelized (read: easy- seriously, that is the dictionary definition of trammel) from its glorious past, when people were forced to band together to survive. Now people complain every time they have to interact with other players and can't do it on their own...what is the point of a MMORPG if you are just going to play by yourself all the time. I do however agree that exorcism should work at a much greater range, as well as work in the star room and any dungeon a harrower could possibly spawn in, because as long as your corpse is still there, you can't get kicked anyway. And, speaking from experience as leadership of the Fallen Lords, this would not change anything about how we find spawns. We assign 4-5 people 3-4 spawns each, takes about 5 min to check, and we physically run through the spawns on active, living characters. You blues have Doom, don't get me started on how that should be Fel ruleset also, so accept that you will need to 1.find a group to defend your champ spawn or 2. buy the scrolls.

Would you say ghost cams are a problem then Danny?

If you don't mind I want to ask you a question. IF they made it where you could get scrolls a different way, Would it hurt fel?

Vepl

Ghost cam's aren't a problem. Just means you have to fight to keep the spawn. And you can always turn in bods for them crafting power scrolls.

I say that if their are certain guilds that are at a spawn, and another guild is also trying to get the loot, if one or the other guild gets it. It gives the option for a GUILD BATTLE. You can of course say nay, but then you only have 20 seconds to make it out of the area. Or you can say yes, and whoever wins it gets the loot.

Kill them all, make a statement, all while singing.

Champ Spawns are not broken. We just need more of them in Felucia and even a Felucia Doom type dungeon.


*Counts blackrock* "Someday I'll have enough to blowup the moongates to keep trammelites out."