I understand your concerns Alexandria, and I for one would not want to see anyone killed or stole from that was not a willing participant. The Paxlair Statehood is a group of individuals that thrive on RP and wish to see it survive. I'm sure all would agree that creating an undesirable atmosphere for it's people is not it's intention. If there is no way of securing the safety of Citizens that do not wish to participate in this aspect of RP, then I'm sure this idea will not be implemented.

As for the theft of items in a designated bag....this again is an attempt at opening up new RP possibilities and storylines, and in no way would the thief gain anything more from it.

Lady Katherine did make a valid point though, that to make something like this work, it would require more player participation than what we have at the moment. With so many things going on with other events, time zones and just plain RL obligations....it's rather hit and miss as to when and where people will be available.

With that said, rest assured Alexandria that no Guild or Alliance member will ever just kill or steal from you without your participation. If that should happen, I'm sure swift action will be taken against said person.

Sincerely,
Lord Xavier Reed, PaxOku Councilman

I like the idea.. but I do not think it would work with our current setup. Too many would be opposed to it.

I think we've learned a lot of new ideas from our visit to Europa and would like to suggest an alternative. We could create guilds that belong to the PaxCORE (for lack of a better name). Have the PaxCORE follow the same sort of rules that are followed on Europa. I'd be willing to have the Shadow take part in that.

If we followed their rules on armor and weapons.. then having craft days would have a greater importance and need.

The best times I had in UO was during the Rebellion on Lake Superior in year one of UO. We had a group of rebels (led by Calandryll) in Trinsic split off from Lord British. We had created a group called the High Council to RP the government (the group still exists today). They had an army formed called the LBL (Loyalists to Lord British) that fought them in Trinsic. We also had a group called the Thorns of Chaos that followed Lord Blackthorns views during the war (often they were neutral). Then we had a group of orcs and vampires called the Followers of Darkness (led by Shadow) that saw the possibilities of this and joined with the rebels. It was great! We had neutral areas. We had rules on armor and weapons. We allowed looting and stealing (was frowned upon, but accepted). We had neutral areas where we can hang out (The Tavern in Trinsic.. the Keg and Anchor was the most popular place on the shard). It was fun! It was a lot of work though.


As for stealing/killing being allowed in PaxOku. If you do allow it.. I don't think it should be "okay" there should be consequences to their actions. Thieves would be hunt down by the Guard as should killers. But I'm sure thats part of the plan.


Eric the Red

I like that idea Shadow... The use of perhaps only GM armor and weapons is also enticing. I miss the days when Crafters would stock their vendors with GM crafted equipment to be used by all. Leveled the playing field a bit, and made RP'ing a crafter more viable.

It's certainly food for thought. We'll just have to see how things unfold.

I would be all for a Paxlair GM only bill!

I have always hated arties and such anyway.

sorry if im intruding on this i was just checking out this fourm here and i noticed your conversation so i figured i would offer some imput.when a character is created why not have 2 options to create a combatant or a civilian a combatan is vulunerable to all types of killing pvp .pk'ing and stealing while a civialian can be crafters or so one and not be subseblble to outside fighting civilians can roam free of danger but be marked but they also can not have the advantages of combatants and fighting and running that would allow everyone to enjoy gameplay they can set up vendors and run around and be safe picking up loot and stuff but only on the floor or left on a corpse..just a thought

I dont have the time to write it all up right now but, ill have tons of rules on it and this is an idea so give me a chance to write up the full idea before people give me the "You do this I quit."

Please just let me get the whole thing out. It shoudl be done at 6am because im leaving for work.

It wont be like fel. If you want pvp build your city in fel. Im not talking six Ubber PvP 100% lrc 14mr 40lmc every artie on with combos setup and ubber hacks like you get in fel and your droped in three seconds then 20 other reds show up and kill you in houses and ruin anything you try to do.

Thats not what im looking at doing. Im not looking at PVP im looking at RK. Roleplayed killings.

Im not looking at stealing. Where they steal your Staff of the Magi. You would have a pouch in your bag engraved. (Gareths Gold Pouch) Someone comes up to you and trys to rob you by demanding your pouch that has 50gp in it.

Now somene wouldnt do that if your with someone else or in a group or doing an event.

Like I said ill have something written out with rules and certain ways for those that dont wish to participate in it have a way out.

But a reminder if you dont participate in it you wont be able to take part in certain events nor will you be able to help anyone being robbed.

But, once you see how its setup and what doors it may open you might think its not such a bad idea.

So ill have it written out tonight. I dont plan to just say its implimented without a massive large backing of it and to setup a way for people who are against it to still be able to stay in guilds and in the city.

My Question to you would be just how common do you really think it is for someone to walk up to another, with-out saying a word a viscously assault them?

Also, what would be the repercussions of assinanitions originating out of the pax statehood? seems like thats usually an act of war.

For spontaneous attacking there is always fel, or you could do something like this, You, Reid, take a contract for a job, but you'd have to get it apporved by your guidleader/city leader, then he or she would have to let the intended targets guildleader/city leader know, and he/she would check with the intended target. If the target is ok with getting assasinated you would then get a 3 day window to pull it off.....so 3 days of sponataneous assasination, and it sounds like alot of work, but with icq thats only really a few minutes to get the deal done, and it lets both GL's know whats going on!

As for consensual combat, its not one guy walking up to another and going "hey you want to fight?", it would be ONLY when the rp'd moment calls for it, one threatens another, insults another, etc.....the possibility of players fighting one another is only a small part of it and should not overshadow the intended role-play.

I remember reading a post about a guy that wanted to role-play on europa, but he didn't want to join a guild. So he posted here asking how viable it is and he received quite a few responses saying its possible but very difficult,

A) All the role-players are orange to one another so its hard to judge if a blue is trying to join in with them or griefing them. And when I say "all" the roleplayers are orange your talking 100s of chars on europa. They seem to have come up with a system that works, I'm sure all of them do not like pvp.

B) It was also stated that a blue in a group of oranges may "act up" more because he is untouchable.

For those of you who are concerned about dying, are you in a guild now? do any of your members spar? I'm just showing the example that you are vulnerable to fellow members already! I don't believe Gareth is talking about rampant pvp, or a guild war.....I believe he is talking about taking a step to add more realism by adding the "Option" of "Combat" (I like that better then pvp), for a group of role-players.

As for the whole loot bag, I think the stealing is more for rp then to fill ones pockets with gold. Imagine the challenge of a thief trying to pick-pocket those attending a meeting? then imagine the fun of capturing said thief and putting him on trial. Or all the weird stuff you can fill your pouch with?!?!?!

If the right people are picked to interact with, i.e. people who want to roleplay more then anything else, the risk will be greatly reduced. It shouldn't be any more dangerous then just being in a guild.

You might want to steer clear of that paxcore thing, make it about role-play, not just pax role-play and you may get more interest. Always stamping the "pax" label on stuff can sometimes get old with the general masses, just my 2 shinnies!

-Good Luck!

Actually, it is very common. Anyone that has ever played in Fell will agree with that. But this in not Fell, nor do I wish it to be like Fell. My point was simply if you are going to have Murderers and Assassins running about, and you consent to the rules for this kind of RP, then you are fair game to have a Murderer or Assassin take a shot at you.

I think most if not all of us are involved with Pax for the RP, and not to be rampant Murderers running around trying to kill every innocent in the streets...(such as you will find to a degree, Fell side). I believe if someone was killed without prior consent, that they would understand that the player Roleplaying this killer is working out a storyline to go along with the kill.

I do agree and very much like the idea of "Contracting" a kill...as from an RP perspective would be interesting, but I also can see a place in RP for the surprise kill on a Citizen. It would be distasteful to some, and to those it should be left out of their RP.

There is never going to be a perfect solution to how this should be done, if it should be done at all. For me, I can take it or leave it, but the idea does intrigue me.

Sincerely,
Lord Xavier Reed, PaxOku Councilman

Wrong!!! Actually it is very uncommon. Attacks usually start with a Corp Por or An Ex Por... Sometimes even "I must consider my sins"(This one amuses Gak. It makes me laugh too).

The game mechanics allow those allied to attack other allied folks just like engaging into war between guilds and alliances. You all are taking a chance even being around Gak! Talking about living on the edge, it should be quite thrilling.

The land was named Felucca when Trammel was created.

You lose twice as much gold when you die to a monster then to a player. See it as saving money!

Well, if you put it that way I guess your right..*laughs*. Though, I still get jumped plenty from the shadows without a word...*I must be hanging out in the wrong neighborhoods*