Thankyou for your kind words Amel they are much appreciated.

The idea was born long ago, but as was mentioned above its getting everyone concerned to relinquish what power they have left to reform from the ashes. Plus a leader is required.

I would offer to take up the mantle myself but with the nature of my work and the world the way it is atm, my commitment would vary immensley through the year.

I agree with Amel. The longer this idea is in the spotlight, the greater chance it'll have of really getting off the ground. Leave it to stew, and it'll sadly fizzle. A damned shame that'd be, as Europa seems to be sorely lacking the old Paladin/Knightly element. A concept like this would undoubtedly serve to really reinvigorate it. Plus Serpent's Hold appears to be vacant. Wooo! Grab it!

I only wish I had the money to start playing again.

I had a wander round UO yesterday

How about we arrange for a little meeting sometime next week? decardo? tabbs? cherry? We could discuss some stuff OOC.

I probably wouldn't be able to do much in the way of running the guild, but you know I'm always here for admin stuff (doing stuff on forums and things) and being on every now and then.

but with you three at the core, with maybe some others then, as rabid and amel say, why shouldn't this idea work?

all you'll need is to win over your respective knights and express to them how important this idea is for bringing knights back together and I'm sure they'll understand.

then we can bring together basic beliefs, backed up by lore and literature (Chivalric codex?) and basic, medieval knightly uniform (iron plate armour with the orders colours?) and we can work from there. we can actually base the guild around lore created by our community! find some roots to the guild through it's creators and historical moments: the first conclave that medric arranged, then pelleus and myself's attempt to to it again. these could all be written in a guild history, a holy book kind of thing

and so Medric did hearken to his fellow knights, "come! Let us gather and talk of the plight of our land! Those of us who have been honoured by our titles as Knights!" And so a great many did gather in his mighty hall and the plights of britannia were discussed between all the Knights of the land. But discussion was heated and a few took great offense...

etc etc

also, with our combined resources we can probably establish priories and commanderies all over the place!

i don't think i'd want the guild ot be based in any one particular city. i think it would make more sense for them to RP in which ever city they are involved with at the time. but things like that can be discussed later.

how about we meet up on this sunday? about 3ish or 4ish? at blanchefort or somewhere? maybe invite 1 or 2 more people who might be interested in helping the running of such a project?

shame pelleus isn't around anymore

I have always thought the idea of the Conclave a sound one - though Cherry would never be involved as she is, and never was a knight. She lead the Knights of Virtue for a good few years as their Voice but not as a knight. Her place in SCT is more natural and for me the player far more enjoyable without the stress and commitment required to run a guild. For me RL is more important and I found that Gming infringed too much on my precious free time. It actually began to take the fun out of playing UO - fun which I have since regained.

As a player I am always happy to offer up ideas. And I do think this concept of the Conclave can work. I have always seen it requiring some very specific - and really quite simple - foundations.

Firstly, and for me most importantly (and something I insisted on in KoV) is that to make the Conclave work you only take into the guild knights that are a player's main character. No alts. Perhaps it means fewer members, but if it means when those members log on they do so with thei knight character then you will always find you have a strong presence. In KoV most of the guilds rp characters were also their hunting characters so even when not rping KoV still was seen out and about.

Secondly, a charismatic leader is needed...someone with time and commitment to be able to devote a fair chunk of their gametime to making this Conclave work. A person who would relish taking this on board. All credit to Tabbitha for trying this over and over. Its not an easy position to fill.

Thirdly, from the outset clearly define what the purpose of the Conclave is. I was present at a few of the early meetings with a knight character i had created with the intention of using them more should the Conclave take off. To me there were too many different notions of what the Conclave could or should be doing. And too many people with different interests present (see point 4), with a fair few seeing the Conclave as being a means to engage against their own enemy. Rather than have the Conclave rally against specific rp guilds, i think it would make it easier if to begin with especially, its aim was as simple as to strive to defeat the "Greater Evil", for example. Make its enemy none- rp guild specific. As time goes by things can evolve, but to begin with "Greater Evil" can then encompass such scenarios as the one about to descend on Magincia and would give the Conclave a defined purpose from the outset.

4. Enroll into the Conclave traditional knights (ie KT style) only. Be clear cut about the type of knight you wish to embody the whole ethos of the Conclave. I know this then rules out a lot of character types, but better i think to get teh quality right rather than aim for quantity. Yes make the Conclave knights special; make them elitist. Make them something people wish to join. Then when people do join they will become proud of their colours and hopefully be more willing for this to be their main character.


For me these are the main ingredients for getting the Conclave off the ground....keep it simple and straightforward, dont get too bogged down in details.

I would like to see this project gain success for we need Knights to walk the streets of Sosaria once more.

I agree totally with what Cherry mentioned above in point 4, any such Knightly Guild needs to be formed from nearly all warriors. If the Knights have magery for almost a Utility or rp purpose then so it. But the Guild needs to be seen as a force of warriors in plate armour and not as a mixture of warriors, mages, rangers, tamers and so forth like every other guild out there.
Yes it means your limiting your player base the same as the idea about not having just another alt of someone who plays 3 or more rp characters already. But it means i feel the guild could be more distinct and more active for the two points i mentioned.

All good points.

But much of them are details. I think to start with we need to get the intent sorted and background. As i think was mentioned above, the guild needs to make logical sense IC-wise in the context of the UO world and our RP community.

To get this as easily as possible I think we need a guild which has a specific focus, as mentioned, that covers a large area (sounds contradictory, but i know what i mean ).

How about a guild called "The Order of Chivalry", a guild for all knights of the realm, an umbrella guild if you like. A guild from which all knights can set their standards or come for counsel etc. The head-quatres could be called "The High Court of Chivalry", a large hall ringed with stone chairs, with banners from every great campaign hanging from it's walls, a hall where there are no tables and knights can mingle amungst each other.

It's one goal being to fight evil and maintain order within the realm. To act as a control against the oppression of the kingdom and the terrorising nature of free-states such as vesper.

Maybe I have too grander picture here, but with some veterans heading it up and a few hardcore members I don't see why we couldn't pull it together. I suppose the guild would mainly be about influence, so chivalrous people with reputations would be important for affecting political situations.

Anyway, how about this ooc gathering on sunday? i'm gonig away for the weekend but will be back before 3pm on sunday.

If people are willing we could then look into trying to win over some more people to help out?

What you want if you want to have the guild start with some UO history is for the guild to take directly from UO lore.

The Guild should be the draw upon the lore of the Silver Serpent Knights who served Lord British.

I am not around sunday

maybe we can do another night then? i'm about to leave work so won't be on till sunday.

i'd like for the guild to be able to be neutral and not allied to british really.

i'm sure we can find lore within the community to base the guild around. really it could come straight from the characters IG desires! them being the founders and their history being the grounding for the orders existance?

Decardo's want for balance keeping the guild neutral
Tabbs's compasionate nature being the grounding for the protective and hospitaller services given by the order
Kaelith's history being the grounding for the orders discipline

or something.

we then take from the various conclaves and knightly gatherings to form the grounding of where the order comes from.

anyway, i'm off for the weekdn!

You all make many good and valid points,many of which I have tried to incorporate recently.

The Knights of the Prophecy,have tried to use UO lore, by using the Inu plotline,mixed in with todays Magincia storyline creating a common ground,and aimed at the 'Greater evil' as Cherry states.

Hopefully this will allow any UO lore from the past to be a part of the concept also.

If the past lore is seen as 'prophetic wisdom' it then becomes viable for the guild to use it today.

That way we can take anything from the past years and use it to 'fight' against.

If we could just get maybe FIVE people who were willing to log in a Knight 2/3 times a week, so a guild could at least travel around and recruit through diplomatic talks with others,it would be a start.

I am at the stage where I do not mind what guild my character [s] are in as long as they DO some thing structured and meaningful.

I also am not bothered wether I lead the guiuld or am just a regular member,who helps ouit.

So if we can get enough willing to be a part of the idea then I am definately in.

I am closing 3 of my accounts when they are due for renewal, so the houses will go too. There are 5 buildings all in one area,as I hoped to build a 'Hospitaller' village.

There is also the large building just by Bucs den gateway,which a member of KH is holding atm, for the guild.

She doesnt play anymore [ afaik] so it could be used as a HQ /Fort etc.

So we have the houses ,we have the ideas/concepts.

As I say I am willing to GM the guild,but that doesnt mean I have to be the 'leader'.

If anyone else here wants to be the GM then please speak up.

I much prefer we have a 'male' Knight who makes the war decisions,as it seems to work better but I am happy to oversee all the other formalities,and the day to day running of things etc.

Kealith and I worked well together like this when he was in KH.

Its a good point about Knights being warriors.The addition of other classes came about because of the lack of numbers.

That may well be an issue again, but we will have to see.

You just dont see that many true Knights around UO anymore.

Anyway as I say I am all for the idea,should it go ahead.

and thanks for posting the positive and creative ideas everyone,its encouraging

so what's everyone thoughts on this idea?

i've been having a mooch around and it seems like everythings very dead :/

is it worth starting something new like this? do many people still log on in the evenings?

i know tabbs is well up for it. we have been talking about this for years! if only we'd cracked it last year when pelleus was around! it seemed so possible, only egos stood in the way.