I have been thinking alot about the land map I updated and the discussion that has taken over from it, And have come up with an idea:

If the map was split up into mini sections like a Risk game board for instance. To start off all guilds will get there own parts to this and all territory will be controlled by currently active guilds.

Myself or anyone infact (I do not mind doing this) Would be the "Map Keeper" This person would keep the map updated everytime it changes and have it available to see online all the time.

The way it works, For instance Trinsic would have lots of zones but for now we will just say 3 zones these will be named A, B and C. Vesper would like to attack Trinsic, under the current rules and roleplay what do we gain or lose from attacking Trinsic? What do Trinsic gain or lose? Nothing under this idea, all guilds will have something to work towards.

All battles have to be pre-arranged with the guilds leaders (gm's), for a time suitable for each.

Now Vesper is going to attack Trinsic, Lets say Vesper wants to attack the Trinsic town gate, This is zone A. Vesper cannot control this sector yet because it must first take C which leads to B in turn leads to A. But vesper in theory could sneak in and attack A. This would be fine with the exception that regardless of the outcome of the battle the sector cannot be controlled because the others have not been taken yet.

Once the battle has finished, If Vesper took over a sector ie C they would contact the Map Keeper who would update the map accordingly. And posted online.

This in turn would give a competative feel and always keep things changing. I know for instance the taverns an such that people have built around the city's obviously could fall under enemy control but if this did happen there is nothing stopping them from attacking back at another arranged time.

The 30 minute rule would also not apply during a pre arranged battle for land control. Every man that fights must stay dead until the outcome has been established.

If anyone would like to add there comments or ideas it would be most appreciated - I think this would be a great idea as nearly everyone likes to fight other players when its roleplay based and an even playing field. And its also something to work towards which is ever changing.

Let the discussion commence!

We did that once on a large scale..it was sort of known as the Unholy Alliance Campaign. I was a senior Knight in The Knights Templar back then under Prince Orlando.

The campaign was fun.

Since then several factions have fought over the City States like Cove and Minoc.
Back then we had a lot bigger player base so each guild could field a lot of people. Whereas nowadays thats not so common.

I appreciate the comments, unfortunatly the player base is not what it used to be. Smaller zones would obviously compensate for that - but what do you think of the general idea? Negative feedback is most appreciated. I might be the only one that thinks its a good idea!

The Unholy Alliance was a lot of fun.I think if guilds had IC alliances it would work for this type of campaign.

At the moment a plan is in progress to 'unite' all the' Virtous and Chivalric Knights of Sosaria ' into an IC alliance to defend the realm.

We have first our meeting tonight and so far 6/7 guilds/areas are going to be represented,which is very encouraging.

It would be nice for us to have a campaign of this tenure to act upon

Personally think you lot should just merge into one far larger and more powerful guild of Knights *grumble grumble*

Care to post what you think of my idea Hanse? And STOP playing WoW your commiting a sin! those 400+ hours could of been spent doing useful things within the ultima world!

The power hungry wont give up their GM'ships.We tried it late last year with the Chivalric Council.Was going to merge the guilds and have 'Chapters' :/

Aye Tabbitha i loved that idea that we chatted about on the forums between us all.
I would certainly have been apart of it !

Well maybe some time in the future we might be able to revive that too .I will settle for all the Knights at least 'working' together though for now

Get some 'Crusades' going again

Big alliances between guilds are always crushed under the moon-sized egos of the GMs. That's just the way it works. However, with the ability to actually ally guilds it should not be such a problem it used to be.

The map is a great idea, but i don't think it's realistically going to happen or work properly. this is mainly due to the fact that guilds can't muster armies consistantly to represent numbers that would ICly be within areas. i think wars and territory acquisition just has to be done respectively and kept within a greater story, which could be initiated by a guild wishing to expand it's borders, but sholdn't tread on peoples toes.


uniting the knightly orders would have been amazing. pelleus and i put a lot of time into getting it started and when pelleus dropped out just became too much. i think we progressed a lot while we had the boards active, but it quickly died mainly due to, as tabbs said, GMs unwilling to give up their power. it could still work, you just got to convince the new orders that they should join the old orders and make something worthwhile, rather than just another attempt to make yet another order.

i've suggested it already to people, but maybe it would be an idea to get some of our heads back together again? decardo, tabbs, myself, taggart? get discussing things and we might come up with a way.

anyway, this is probably for another thread. map idea is very very nice, i don't think it would work but it would certainly be nice to be able to see a map at any time with up to date territory control. this would tie in very nicely if the knightly orders did finally decide to cooperate at least!

I really enjoyed working with you Kaelith when we originally all got our heads together over this. You feel the same way i do on a lot of things...it was a pleasure bashing ideas out with you, and i would welcome that again anytime.