I think KT hangs out a bit further up, just around Beaufort. Although, I may well be wrong.

And now for a realistic map. Disregarding "roleplay claims"..!

That black dot should be on the inn next to the stables, amongst others. =P

I see a vesper/Cove border war coming over the land south of covetous..

that land used to belong to me when i was with vesper and i know cove took a lot of it, but as hanse said, i'm pretty sure vesper took most back so it should probably somewhere down the middle.

historically vesper owned all the land upto the gates of cove, near enough, but as cove grew so did their land coverage.

anyway. bringing land into RP is a fantastic way of sparking spontaneous wars, instead of constructing a made up story to bring to factions to blows.

RP as far as i was ever concerned was about land and power, so maps are very important. if you don't have the power to control much land, then don't claim much! if you've got a huge force then take more, but don't be a git and just sit in someone elses city.

land and politics = interesting RP and more wars = more activity and fun alround!

double post

We fought that war about borders and Covetous. We decided to share the mountain

How gay is that?

Vespers been waring over minoc for years... history is your freind....

History? For the last 2.5 years we've been warring for Minoc on the same side. I'm just saying that we should not claim towns just like that unless you are actively using it.

The best thing for that area would be if an active Loyalist / evil / something not Rebel faction would start using Minoc. That would make the entire region allot more attractive.

I think it's more that vesper currently lays claim to it. whether they actually have it or not is debateable.

If a new guild came into minoc and didn't make friends with the vesperians there would likely be a war, as has happened for years, as you know.

whereas, if a new guild came into minoc and made friends with the vesperians and essentially became a vassal of vesper then eventually they might be able to take it away with time.

basically, people can lay claim to what they like, whether or not they actually own it comes down to might at arms and politics.

so really, any conversation about it is pointless..

Pretty much Kaelith. We lay claim to it, but indeed do use it for things reasonably often to make a change from doing it all around Vesper, whether you see it or not Mani. Kimmy is right in that Vesper really has been warring in, over or about Minoc with a swathe of peoples throughout RP history

A Minoc guild though? Meh. Guilds have risen and fallen in Minoc for some years, including an effort of my own attempt what, five or six years ago now. Its a nice place to visit, but not a place to stay is my experience. Until something like that happens though, or Minoc is contested, she remains Republican turf in our greedy wee eyes, and we'll try to boot out / lay the smack-down on foreign armies if we get wind they're lurking there if and when it happens :-)

A minoc guild poped up about 2 months ago and were rebel but they dissapeared just as fast as they apperared.

Any real discussion about maps is bound to be a moot point (Get it...Moot....*Shifty eyes*...Ah fark it, I was -never- funny anhow)

Any side that wants to, can make their own map based on their own opinions if they like and if it helps their RP (I love them, but that's just me). It sparks discussion and is all you need for a rollercoaster of ingame events, discussions, meetings and possibly wars. Altmere....Covian or Templar? Let's get ingame and find out! Minoc.....Vesperian, or simply liberated? Hmmm...Let's meetup and settle that!

I believe the point should be that any 'Official', 'The Law' or 'Generally accepted' map can only include the respective home territories of the different decently sized and active guilds.

Any map that shows 'Claimed lands', 'Areas of influence', 'Borders' or whatnot should be left to individual maps for each seperate guild or grouping. Those are highly biased, change rapidly and may even be downright lies! Afterall, those are the kind of things RP strife is -all- about.


So....A Map with homebases or points of sustained RP activity (As our Uber Maniacski said, there wont be many) is a definate thumbs up!
Individual maps depicting each guilds RP view on the world is a definate two thumbs up as well!
A unified map that's supposed to be an actual representation of in-game influences and 'ownership' is a definate no-no from me. Not only does it usually step on people's far too big toes, but RP also -NEEDS- the incertainty. The gray areas!