As Olk said, we need to host lots and lots of trainings with Kaldor and Mgc to try out tactics etc, perhaps we need to come up with several solid strategies for differen't situations, name them, and teach them to everyone in the many trainings we should be having. That way when we go into battle the leader can just say "Smoke Screen Strategy Men", and everyone will know what we're talking about and will be able to carry it out.

Trainings are a strange issue with Vesper. We know we need them, I know people want them, but whenever we hold one almost nobody turns up - either through not being bothered or believing they are above it, therefore the number of our trainings has gone down and so too has alot of our co-ordination. This is especially true given the last proper run of training was done with a significantly different generation of Vesparians. This is a new generation, and I do suppose like all new waves of Vesper's finest 'em need to be trained.

Thats madness by the way you crazy Norweigan, melee warriors sitting still for any significant amount of time are warriors wasting time. The best you can do is use chivalry heals. Only Archers have a reason to stay still, and generally only for long enough to squeeze their shot off.

we need to decide on certain things, like....

* one tactic or lots of different tactics like esca suggested

* mages healing or warriors healing or both

* x heal or no x heal

*when we should hold trainings? shall we make it a weekly thing or just spare of the moment cos theres lots of people on?

once we answer those things we can start working on a tactic(s)

Warriors should run two and two, that drops most targets.. chiv heal and xheal.. Mages and archers toghter - same targets

We should hold weekly training at LEAST

Yeah but the problem is that warriors don't x-heal.. All they do now is run at the enemy, then flee while healing themselves, while the mages are being dropped cause no warriors stand by the mages and 1 second heal them.

Warrior templates are excellent healers and mages are excellent killers. Warriors running at an enemy pretty much just end up being ganked to hell when he runs too far. Right now in the battles it seems that it's pretty much "all for themselves". Kill as many as you can before your self heal was one second too long.

ehm...I x-Heal

But yeh we will have to decide on tactics...!

I like escas idea, of wierd orders that mean different things. But all this is useless if we dont have dicipline!

The problem with training is that it never matches the reality. For instance - get a group of warriors standing together x-healing and have some mages try to kill them. Reasonable training, but there's never a fight in UO that comes down to grindwork - every fight is always hit and run.

Warriors need to use specials, mortal is useful, as are nox and bleed and, if the enemy is low on health, armour piercing and concussion.

Mages and archers (not that we're exactly robust in the archer department) need to call targets and pick off the injured. At best a single mage will do 60-70% damage in a combo before the opponent runs away (unless the opponent is rubbish of course).

Personally, I'm not all that big on healing, not even myself - it's something I do when I get a breather. Attack is the best form of defense and all that

Dicipline!

We need to understand that chasing an opponent with low hp is more likely to get you killed, than just leaving him and sitting back with mage/archer support!

Combined arms people...it won the first world war!

Nah. LB rocked ass at x-healing. Hardly ever lost a single person, and they stood still. The whole idea is that the mages will then be kept alive so they can 2 x explo/FS people to hell in a few seconds..

I know warriors x-heal and all, but if that was the warriors main job in battles, they wouldn't run out and pretty much just annoy the enemies. A 120 PSed warrior with lumberjacking takes perhaps half life from someone with crushing blow on ornate axe. a explo/fs takes 2/3 of their lives. Warriors are useless when it comes to killing in battles. They should be healers... in my opinion. And throw out some specials now and then when the first wave is over and the mages aren't all dead on the ground.