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And yes, i can guaranteene you alot of people would subscribe to UO if there wasn't trammel + insurance. I don't even need to proof it, it's a fact.

I don't really believe that - lots would leave, too, if the griefing started up again.

Did you play pre trammel? I wonder, plus what does it matter all the real wolves have been banned from UO or have stopped playing it because death to the home land sosaria know known as felucca.

I'M confused, maybe it is just me, but i cant figure out which way you are siding... or are you not siding?

you asked if they played before tram, like it was a bad thing, then you said everyone left that played fel, or the wolves left, which could mean that the good fel players are still around, then you said to the homeland of sosaria, which is Fel, which is supportive of the fact that people should take care of it.....

Very true, this is why i said closing trammel on all shards would be a real bad idea now.

Got bored around page four...

To the OP: Its amusing you say "get rid of trammel" but don't say "bring back penalties for reds." I think you're probably one of the people Gnomy was talking about who, now that reds have no penalties, goes around playing a red like its the cool thing to do!

Get rid of reds, get rid of karma, bring back the old Great/Dread lords. All the penalties. There were reasons going red was a BIG choice back before UOR. It was because you were penalized.

The way I see it, reds have less penalties, and item insurance was put in. Seems like an even trade to me.

Also Warsong of LS your info is a bit off. You could lock houses. You just had to have a key. Could always lock them though, could always lock boxes as well.

Also, I think some of the improvements, like bonding, are things that should have been there to begin with. Pets are like favorite armor/weapons for tamers. Saying they should get rid of bonding would be like saying everytime you die all your !!!! goes poof and you need to get more gear. Wouldn't like that too much would you?

Oh yeah, not to mention everyone would LOVE playing melee classes in classic UO. . . ... NOT haha Anyone who was anyone was a mage or archer. Also, you could kiss meditation good bye on a classic shard.

Personally instead of removing shards, I think they should fix/remove some of the skills in the game that are pretty much useless.

actually, i would personally like to have penalties back, and with it if trammel were gone there would be less people talking the stuff they do without needing to be able to back it up. the uber armor can go with it, along with insurance, put two people on the same level, and see who is the more creative with spells and combos, or whatever.... and malorite, you are just the type of person tram was made for, so your responses are not needed here, because in absolutely no way does it effect you to have a shard open with pre-16 ruleset.... oh, except it takes away a drastic ammount of the population that is currently on your shard...

and melee classes were meant to be loved by some of the people, not everyone is scared to get up close and personal.... it was just not meant to be this onesided......

not to mention, it just depends on what time you stepped in on what was more popular..... ever try a tank mage? melee tamer.... archer swords? parry mage....all templates that were usefull before that have gone useless because of certain changes few liked, and even less like now...

lets just go with my new quote...The wise man built his house upon the rock... EA bought the house and crushed the rock it stood on....

I agree...I keep coming back to UO but I really hated Trammel...just the idea of safe zones made it feel less of an mmo and more of a single player/lan game...bad enough we have guard zones

Thank you for that one, it does seem to be fitting less and less into a multi-player area, and more into a single player adventure....

I cant believe this is still going on to this day.

Removing Tram would destroy UO, if simply because of the new post-Tram and especially Post-AoS players, if we did that, housing space would be shreaded and all the newer players would be lost as to what to do and more than likely quit, making this game more de-populated than it is currently.

As for what consitutes a classic shard, for me pub 14-16 were my best times. I personally think that, that is when the balance was hit. However many are free to have their own opinions and are just as "right" about what makes a classic shard as I am.