' not happy with the current state of RP' is in deed a factor but please dont assume that other players are being referred to in that but rather EA.

One example was ;-

A LOT of RP that happenmed around Europa's EM aka Elendrik/and especially Jordan Jurrell.
He was involved in many minor plots/scenarios which involved almost all the RP guilds across the board,any time I saw him in game he never side stepped a chance to RP.

He would alsosometimes turn up at events/plots as his GM character.

He was actively involved in the Inu storyline and again gave great opportunities to all players,wether they be good/bad,orc,brigand etc.

EA dismissed the EM's,the Inu storyline ground to a deafening halt,and we have had nothing Event wise since. [Apart from Adida's Scavenger hunt]

Blackrock was used [ by the RP community] as the instigator of Haven's demise and was going well till then.

Now we have all been hoarding it for months,along with Ophidian rations and orders.

Repeated requests for answers as to what,when,how these items are going to be used etc have met with silence or ' watch this space' type responses.

Add that to all the other concerns players have with the games current state and you are then touching the tip of the iceburg as to why people are leaving UO.

Its NOT about the players who remain,its everything Devlin said in his post.

Some of us are just tired after x amount of years of the game being in the state it is and causing hoardes of players to leave for other pastures.

Dont be fooled into beleiving those people refferred to by Henry care any less about UO than those that log in regularly,its just that for some ,its just too much to log into the same stale gamestate every day,especially as a GM and struggle to BE the sort GM most of us beleive we should be.

I agree the majority of players like their fix of PvP and a lot of those players also like to RP around that pvp.

I personally dont get my kick from it,and prefer RP ,but I DO enjoy defending a town,city,or fighting for a good RP cause.

So...

Dont think too badly of those GM's that now log into a game that they can actually play without HAVING to organise,discuss,argue about,implement,get people to turn up to,and so on.

Dont think too badly of those GM's that now log into a game as and when they feel like it ,rather than they have to,to provide 'fun' for their guild members .

Dont think too badly of those GM's log into a game where events/raids/quests are there for the taking part in without the hours of OOC stress they have to go to,before they can even astart to have some enjoyment themselves.


I dont know what the solution is.

Beleive me many ,many of us have discussed,brainstormed IC and OOC how to effect a change for the better,and we didnt come up with anything that worked for more than a day or two.

Those folk who have left are not lazy people who cant get off their lazy butts and not care.

They are people who have dedictated as many as 10 yrs in some cases to the game,but have just run out of ideas.

Thats why its good to see a therad like this where players who arent GM post ideas that ARE new and fresh.

They will only work by getting in game though and trying things out.

Disagree entirely. By specialist guilds we're not talking necessarily about orcs, samurai, drow, easter bunnies or catmen. We're talking about just guilds with a unique purpose.

Frankly I want to see less drow, less orcs, less samurai, ninja, Tokunese and elemental summoning elves and just more common people. You don't need to learn a language, you don't need to learn a way of life, you just need to be content pottering around as a civilian enjoying yourself. There's no difficulty in it at all.

But what it means is being a defenseless wimp of a character, basically, and most people let their pride interfere with playing such.

Agreed - towns need civilians [Peons] like Srf for example.

There has never been that many people preapred to put a crafting skill on an rp template - exceptin Mizz Buttinz, Muldran, Lereia, Jessie and some of ALynora's characters. {I think Stewan also}

But yes - would be good to see more normal folk in game

Most people who play guardsmen/commoners know that their character concept in and of itself isn't interesting, so have to develop a consistent personality and set of traits to go along with their character. On the other hand, people who play out of the ordinary characters sometimes assume that their being different terms of race, language etc is enough to justify a complete lack of uniqueness in the more important parts of their character.

What's hard for anyone no matter what role they play is making their character interesting; speaking a different language or being a different race isn't going to ensure that on any deep level, only superficially. Frankly, all the memorable characters i've encountered have had very common roles but were played in a really creative way.

What nobody wants to admit, is we need more Sally Buttons'.

Yup - GM Chef at yer service, Sah. Bin with the Serfs for about half a year, but went DoTtie after not seein´ ´nother Serf fer months.
And let´s not forget Gwen Irima, who´s a cook too.

Must admit guilty to meddlin´ into other stuff too, tho.

Trinsic is certainly the best community for civilian types.

There was never enough Orcs to begin with!! But, true, what's the point in playing something evil or exciting if there's nobody to kill / worth interacting with?

I've been dying to make a Fletcher/Lumberjack sheep farmer for ages. But thanks Sineal, Hedlyn... made this old Orc feel unoriginal and pathetic ;_;

Stop crying you wuss.

I think it's good to see S^A about. Well, assides the necro archer bar stewards

But like you yourself say, most of the major guild types need civilians and unfortunately there's just a massive lack.

Nothing against most people who play other races, as long as that isn't the only thing notable about their character. Just to say its easy to play a standard human char and hard to play standard fantasy char is incredibly narrow minded.

Its pretty easy to RP anything if you have an imagination.

Regardless, no, RP does not need more defenseless peasant types. It wouldn't hurt, but if say Grd or -V- all became peasants, would the game be better? No not really.

Is it pride that means I really dislike being treated like crap and have to smile and take it or take an immediate and unavoidable dirtnap? Well in part it is, its the ego, but personally it harms my enjoyment in the long term. Uo is a game, I didn't sign onto a game to be ordered about by anyone who can weild a sword. If you like that kind of thing (or you happen to RP in the place where your not getting into fights almost constantly) then thats fine, but it isn't for me.

I don't think its for the bulk of the population either.

I have yet to meet anyone who speaks Elvish or Black Speech to any significant degree. They toss the odd word in here and there, but that isn't exactly difficult. In fact I'd go as far to say that too many 'specialist roleplayers' in Ultima Online play very vanilla versions of the race they are meant to portray. Where are the haughty and aloof Elves? Hanging out at the West Gate in Trinsic, thats where. And the Orcs? They have became clowns where they should be vicious killers. So please, spare me the nonsense about your roles being more sophisticated than those playing humans, because evidently you are just playing humans who speak nonsense on occasion.

Truly, give me a break.