You mean a bit like when we started a rebellion in Yew and wrote to the Trinsic GMs, Cove, Vesper and VTC and at best got a bit of part time involvement in PvP and a whole load of "sounds like a good idea, good luck, it's just not for us"? ;)

Face it. It's just not that simple and likely just ISN'T going to happen.

& Floria, pick up your toys and stop being a child. You can play the victim all you want - I wasn't launching an attack, just highlighting something that was clearly quite a provocative tone. If I'd posted the same critique of people being 'too attached to their pixel houses' everyone would have seen it for exactly what it was - a bítch. And an unproductive one at that.

I tried to get B^F involved by asking you directly and you said "why would brigands help rebels" or something similar. Also Trinsic are not even warred to Grd so obviously they wont get involved.

But what i mean is if players {not gms} see it happening, maybe they will join characters and a few guilds in one area will build up. That's a start.

The rebels wouldn't have accepted the help of criminals. Though admittedly at the time I thought you were a Yew-based guild anyway so I'd have made no conscious effort to help you get further involved. It's only very recently I learned you'd moved to Trinsic.

And the fact Trinsic aren't even WARRED to Grd sort of enforces the point the nay-sayers are making really. We don't all WANT the same things from a centralised community. The North-South divide across the server isn't really just an in-character thing, it rather represents people's interests in types of roleplay, as well.

Why many guilds aint warred with Grd comes from many things.. specially the things from Klion.

I've never really interacted with many Yew people.. but i must say 50% from the people have been acting mature and 50% are trying to be mature but acting like childs... "My way or not at all" .. Klion is one of them. He abusing a stealther at Trinsic ... ooh yes happened over and over right away when we warred him again.. Im sure he had fun.. but no one els had fun. This goes for more Grd..

But then also ive had some real fun rp encounters with other Grd. But thats not enough for me to say- I want to move to Yew. I never needed yew before.. Now I've quit so i dont care... If i got back maybe i need Yew - But I cant see myself fit in their with any of my chars since they are all mages.

and hedlyn tune it down a bit... You attitude is not really helping. Discuss this in a mature lvl.

Sorry, pardon me? I've presented myself with nothing but calm decorum. You come in here launching personal attacks against Klion and denouncing no less than half of another guild as "immature", punctuating said statement with a declaration that you don't even play the game anymore?

I'd be looking to grow up yourself a little bit, and suggest you rethink your line of debate before throwing another ill advised two penneth into a conversation that has little to no effect on you anyway.

That are immature people in every guild and every circle of roleplay on the server, you just have to put up with it and get on. Letting it affect your judgment of entire guilds and communities just isn't productive and it's exactly those sort of prejudices we need to get over if we ARE ever to unite what's left of Europa.

Geronimo may just be making a fool of himself by using this as an opportunity to cry about how evil the members of Grd really are, but he is getting at a highly relevant point. People aren't going to move to Yew because there's a lot of irrational OOC hatred still in the community, and a lot of that is directed against Grd. They will see it as a victory for Grd, and that's something that many can't even contemplate.

That's why if this is going to be done the only possible way would be for -everyone- to move at once. No privilages for any guild, that way no ones pride is hurt.

I said your attitude doesnt really help.. its pretty aggressive even tho its calm...

I said that my experience with Grd is 50% 50% .. if you see that as an attack... then its not much I can do.. Thats how i feel about Grd and what ive experienced in my time.

My attack against Klion? I said I dont like his way of playing.. because it has always been his way or not at all.. You have to agree on that one.

My experience with people who RP gnome mages is similarly 50/50, and I knew a really great guy who rped a very decent gnome mage on WoW. Sorry if you see that as a personal attack. Guess you can't call me on it though, because it was a mere statistic expressing my feelings.

wrong.. Im not crying about how evil Grd, I just dislike how Grd have acted in the past... then its agreed to try again.. and same things happen again. This almost only coming from the guildleader at that time.. Klion.. Doesnt set a good picture on Grd.

But i must say - I've had wonderful RP with other Grd members

Have you actually read anything I've put in this thread? Certainly compared to my usual rantings, I'd say I'm being nothing short of angelic.

I even stood up for VanQa.

I was actually surprised...

No, you bitched about Grd as a whole, with an emphasis on Klion. Now you're trying to claim you solely bitched about Klion and not Grd at all.

Oh, and I won't drop to the level of insulting guilds, but you know people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.