discord over provo for sure, disco weakens sooooooooooo much. i once fought with a deamon and he did 30 to me and i did 10. after the dico i did 50 ... and he did only 10 :S!!! (spells aren't greatly effected by it i think). imagine ureself as a teamer/archer/bard. peace them, disco them, let ure pet take the eventual blows and than hit ureself hard (get horselord, stormgrip and some other TOT; s and ure in to single DF

I've never been much for taming, though it's been 9 years since I played. I'd rather do the work myself than rely on an animal.

Now if we could have some uber henchmen to follow us around and do all the killing, I'd be all for that!

IMO provo trumps disco. Yeah, it's great if you in a place where a single monster spawns. But what better way to free up your time then have another monster fight your target while you bombard it with flame strikes. Weakening a monster is one thing, but completely negating him is another.
currently running:
120 music
120 provo
120 peace
120 magery
120 med
120 eval
Not too much out there that can stop you.
Although the para balron can put a damper on your day. I say call a friend on that one......
In DOOM, provo and peace are your best friends.

btw. fighting a demon with my temp is like toying with a mongbat.

Bards are okay for Doom but rarely get an arti. They are very limited in what they can accomplish in the rooms because there is not enough skill points left after their music, peace, provoke or discord to kill anything. They are like wise of limited use in any heavily spawn area except for peace that keeps them alive but does nothing for the fight. They wait so long to reuse their skill that staying alive is a chalange. Like the tamer the bard has been greatly demished as a useful character.

You're kidding right? LMAO. Do you even PLAY a bard??? My bard has pulled an orny, hotm, bracers, arcane shield, and a crapload of "minors" out of Doom since the drop rate has increased, and that's in VERY limited play time. In the heavy spawn areas (think DF's) I provo all his spawn right back on him. Nothing helps my damage more than having 3-5 rotting corpses on him while I drop EV's and flamestrikes on him with a demon slayer spellbook. My bard has died a FRACTION of the times my archer has, staying alive is hardly a problem. FWIW, my Doom template is as follows:

120 Music
120 Provo
120 Peace
120 Magery
120 Eval
120 Med

Suit is 100 LRC, 46 LMC, 11 MR, 2/6 FC/FCR. Please don't tell me a bard is "greatly diminished as a useful character". My guess is you don't play one often in Doom or yours isn't fully developed.

*An Corp Thread*

I recently retemplated my peace tamer to a peace/disco tamer (goodbye meditation, I shall miss you). So far, it is better for PvM than any other template since they nerfed the number of EVs you could cast years ago. Definitely need disco at 120, though, which is tough to raise. I started at 70 (thank you advanced char), stoned it over to my tamer, and equipped 2x+15 jewels and a +7 fishing pole to get high enough to do swoop. Still fail a LOT...but getting gains through normal play is so much more fun than any other way for me.