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Originally Posted by DiP  Thus furthering the horrible trend you see in UO today.
If you believe this wouldn't have an adverse effect on the game then you either look to profit (RL $$$) from UO or need to pull the wool from your eyes. UO needs to get away from things that will make things easier for people to make RL money from playing, else things will get worse. |
Dude, on the contrarey... I believe it will revolutionize
UO commerce for evermore... Changing it into a true competative marketplace, through advertisement...
After all, what is a search engine for? To advertise things for sale and to allow the "Buyers" to brouse your wares freely & comfortably...
The problem with Selling in
UO, is there is realy no way to advertise your items other than place the items on your vendor (my est 1500-2500 vendors on a shard), which is one in many.... and Hope someone buys from you...
or you can stand at the Bank and spam everyone, handing out runes...
or just drop runes at a moongate (I gota be honest with you, I pick them all up and resell the to an NPC)....
and the Problems for a Buyer in
UO, is you gota search all those 1500-2500 vendors, by hand... clicking, clicking, clicking.... I guess outa frustration you can always buy the 1st one you see, for whatever outrageous price....
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Originally Posted by merth UOGuy you seem to have a very firm grasp on marketing strategies and effects, however your rational is backwards from reality IMO! Let me give you a for instance, I log in and see a group of friends going to a champ spawn. We manage to finish the spawn unraided (hmmmph highly unlikely!) anyways for my participation Im awarded a 120 magery scroll. Finally a highly coveted item I can sell and make some decent cash on. I put on my vendor and see 6 others for sale all listed by the same person (obviously a champ farming guild) and all at the same price. So I stick my ps up and undercut his price by 10gp (why go less with recall option it wont cost a potential buyer anything to come get it and he saves 10gp). Do you really believe that other guys is gonna keep his 6 priced higher than mine. He will have all 6 of them lower than mine in a shake! My only option becomes to either wait it out and hope his 6 sell before he can restock or price even lower. The negative impact here is it becomes a war in which we both keep pricing lower until he just buys mine and adds to his stack and shoots the price back up or I have to wait and hope he runs out (highly unlikely as he already has 6). with the way the system is now I can set a fair price drop off a couple runes and sell that same day or even spam sell it at a bank! With the scripting duping the way it is highly coveted "rare" items arent exactly rare anymore but still carry a hefty price! Why should the "little guy" not be able to make a decent profit for a decent item? Why should he constantly be underpriced by the "farming, cheating, scripting,duping, whatever vendor". The reality is these unscrupulous players are going to win everytime as they dont care about the "costs involved". They have no time invested and no costs so they can always win the war! Supply and demand is going to win for the player everytime but the merchant will lose. |
Merth, Dude, its a nice theory... and only with heavy competition do I see this happen on
WoW...
If there is heavy competition, that only means there are "alota guys" out there trying to sell the same item, at the same point in time... In
WoW the sales ads are only allowed to run 24hrs max (or shorter, if the seller choses)... So, all the sellers have a chance to relist their items, while the other guys ads are still running and they were the ones undercutting you in the 1st place...
Merth, in your senerio there are only 2 sellers, you and the other guy... and he has 6ea, you have 1ea for a total of 7 items... and he has 6 of those 7... So what make you think he even cares how much you undercut him by? Do you think all 7 items will be sold today, now? Do you even think he knows that you have one for sale? How long do you think it will take to sell all 7?...
Now, in order to know all the information in these senerios, I gota ask, How many vendors did you search before coming across one with 6 120 Magery PSs? Didn't it take all day? Do you know for a fact, this guy has even sold 1ea at the price he's offering? The trueth of the matter, is you have no idea if those 6 have been sitting month after month gathering dust or actuelly selling... making the guy millions...
Same goes for him, he had to search everywhere just to find your vendor to see you undercut him... Now, your saying he's going to run right home and lower all 6 of his items, undercutting you...
and your going to immediatly know this and your going to run right home and undercut him... Right, is that what your going to do?
The Point you both missed, was while you were undercutting each other competeting, niether one of you sold any... So, maybe theres no Buyers around now... or maybe theres no market for that product anymore... Just because its a 120 magery PS doesn't mean anyone is looking for that item... or on the other hand maybe there are 10 ppl looking and all were sold overnight (in this case price is no option, undercutting only reduced your own profits).... If this were true, how come you found 6 on one vendor?
A surplus only means a weak market, I don't care about "How rare" it is... If no one is buying, makes no differance what it is...
Merth, you make it sound sooo easy to sell something... Just drop a few runes by a moongate or spam the Bank and you sell the item in minutes... You didn't tell us How low your "Fair" price was either... or did you find some sucker?... and charge him double... Bartering face to face is an art... Most ppl in games don't want to wasted the time, just give them a buy price, they don't want to haggle...
I bet you sold it for less than the other guy...
This is exactly why
UO needs an auction/vendor search, so all this can stimulate "free enterprise" in
UO... The In-game economy would benefit and not the outside sales for US$... It would allow the little guy to compete with the big Corps...