Nah. I think trinsic should have a pretty mohoossive garrison. means if you really want to attack it you need one hell of a force! and then if you capture it you need to maintain a large force to keep hold of the city, which inevitably will be retaken eventually.

Shame there is not enough players to do such a thing

people still play the game, you've just got to be imaginative in drawing them to you

There have been successful new guilds in the past few years who've all found new members and thrived. They are out there!

Agree massivley with Kaelith - theres plenty of players

"Shame there is not enough players to do such a thing" - happily this is untrue.

The problem is there are probably abotu 50-75 or so "part time" or "casual" players who have active accounts but rarely log in or log in to pvm or pvp or just to potter around house decoing or crafting. In fact off the top of my head that figure might be higher.

There are also players like Raul and Kaelith and more - hangers on =P - who WOULD come back in a jiffy if they thought that things could change and scenarios liek this could be made to work.

The problem is the hardocre nightly[daily] player base has gone to pot - maybe 80-120 these days in the arrrrrr peeeeeeee scene? and they are spread over however many towns villages and player run towns and taverns and events and stuff - so it looks liek no one is around

If you motivated those other 80 or so players we could have a war that r0x0r ju

yes, i think that's a good observation.

i am certainly a hanger on, as with raul, but i think people like us hang on because we are passionate about UO still. I know i am! it's just i don't have the time to play in the evenings to actually do anything, so I/we just keep an eye open on forums and make a few comments here and there.

i'd love to come back to UO if i knew i could casually play in the time i have, but i know from experience that i'd end up sat in a tavern for that hour talking to 1 random person, or i'd run about a bit, find no one and log off. it's annoying, but people like us rely on the full timers to be around and doing things so that we can then contribute to that.

a big war is fantastic because we can log on breifly to add support to an army for an hour or so, or take part in a training or some political scenario. or if a territory system was initiated then we could log on for that hour and do a quick patrol of a territory or raid an enemy territory. it wouldn't have much impact but it gives part timers something to do and helps the full timers pick up a few extra numbers here and there...

Think A^K is gonna go back to recruiting Fell PvP whores like we did at the start to get numbers...

Did the green meanies ever stop recruitin that what? *grins*

"i'd love to come back to UO if i knew i could casually play in the time i have, but i know from experience that i'd end up sat in a tavern for that hour talking to 1 random person, or i'd run about a bit, find no one and log off"

Then organise somethign in advance - I play for maybe 4-8 hours per week!

Logging into UO with nothing planned? ... nope not for me very often - As you end up in scenario you described above "sat in a tavern for that hour talking to 1 random person, or i'd run about a bit, find no one and log off"

Back on topic - sounds like a fab idea - just got to herd those cats in the right direction - and thats like turning lead into gold.

Just check the town crier here and on f4g regular, tells you what's going on and where and only takes a moment to do. If you don’t like randomly logging in and hoping to find something just go to planned events. There is something on most night's.

well i prefer to just log on and do random spontaneous things and that's how i generally played all my UO life. but doing that take times to do anything worthwhile. only planned events i ever liked were the battles and training, as peaceful planned stuff was always a bit weird. i like the non-pvp, but only in the form of meetings and councils and talk of war and a bit of tavern time. festivals, markets and the like were never my cup of tea..

but i'll take a look. thanks henry