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Old 27th February 2007, 01:36 PM   #1
 
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Ninja/bushi template help

right now this is what im looking at as a template, i just started playing a few months ago and i have some friends providing me with what i need, with my current knowledge this is what i plan on going:

Nin 120
stealth 80
hiding 100
psn 100
Sword 100
bushi 120
100 tactics(unlikely)/100 spell res/100 healing

statswise im shooting for:
100 str
100 dex(120 if i go healing)
rest in int

im also human and im on pacific

psn needs to be 100 because im the guild poisoner. I want ninjitsu 120 for the 40 dmg deathstrikes i hear about. Ive heard stealth past 80 is unnecesary, i wish i could get higher sword but i dont think i can(what does higher sword do?). 120 bushi for 45 hp confidence, (ive also read bushi is effectively parry) low mana cost specials, and parrying spells. Im not sure what to take as a 7th skill, im leaning toward spell res tho.
What is so great about the build is i can cover all bases(in theory), healing with confidence and pots, with swords i can get out a fat ornate axe with conc blow or bokuto for stun, or cleaver for multiple dots. Ive read tactics is more of a pve skill (correct me if im wrong) so ive decided to skip it. Im mainly worried about 1. speed (you cant sneak with a mount, so when you get your opener in thats the only specials your gonna get) and 2. survivability (confidence is interrupted, no spell resistance). My friends say it wont work, but theyre fairly conservative when it comes to templates, not to mention they both got owned recently by a build similar to mine( cept he had magery). Im really thinking about dropping sneak/hiding, alot of skill pts could be freed up there.

Let me know what to improve on, im not familiar with pvp as i said so my temp is pure speculation, some practical experience/imput will make me a happy panda ;D
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:02 PM   #2
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

Delete the char!
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:08 PM   #3
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

my bush/ninja char

human form...all meddable armour

120 ninja
120 swords
110 bush
100 anat
100 magicresist (89 base, brace adds 11%, and i allways carry a box)
100 parry
81.0 healing (min. to res...)

95% enhance pots. 0/0 casting...(no need for casting.)

lesser hiryu (and macros to hop off/all kill)
disarm weap (butcher knife)
Bokuto for nerve strike
relatively low base str+dex. Agility + STr pots when engaging. 140 dex after the stam pot for max bandaid speed. (and 130ish hps) 107 mana
as close to max lmc (40) as u can get...

spam evade constantly...dont forget to drink the str+dex pots (easy to set hotkeys for this thru uoassist)
carry lots of total refresh pots and drink them like crazy...
drink a cure just before ur bandaid goes off, while evading and using confidence if u get disarmed...(if u get disarmed...run, aids+confidence+pots till u can re-arm, cuz disarmed u got no parry and get ownt)

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Old 27th February 2007, 05:08 PM   #4
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u will get called a gimp by pretty much everyone tho, and nobody will wanna fight you...thats where the nerve strike comes in handy *winks*
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:10 PM   #5
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

also in looking at yer temp i see several "holes" but the main one is how do u plan to heal when running in dog form trying to excape a gank?

you cannot use confidence when in ninja form (or any spell for that matter..)

Thats why IMO anat/heal is crucial.
along w/ tons of pots and 75% or better enhance pot

-if you want a better chance at staying alive in pvp on a dexer in any case.
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:15 PM   #6
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:24 PM   #7
 
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

I would probably use a smoke bomb, walk behind something to lose los and heal up, or just wait on dog form to do it.
As far as getting called gimp i really dont care, alls fair in love and war. Not to mention fl like to camp my house, so i wont have probs getting fights.

Why parry? Ive heard bushido lets you parry with 2h and 1h weapons, well i observed it. My friend (archer) was fighting a mage ninja bushido template and the guy parried several times according to my friend (the mage didnt speak english well but were pretty sure he has no parry). He was using a bokuto.

What does anatomy do for me? Is your template worth giving up stealth?

Why 120 swords? what does going past 100 do?

I wouldnt call my build a dexxer, though im not 100% sure what a dexxer is. Its more of a stealth build. Dont know if stealth is practical in pvp tho.
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Old 27th February 2007, 05:51 PM   #8
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I would probably use a smoke bomb, walk behind something to lose los and heal up, or just wait on dog form to do it.
As far as getting called gimp i really dont care, alls fair in love and war. Not to mention fl like to camp my house, so i wont have probs getting fights.

Why parry? Ive heard bushido lets you parry with 2h and 1h weapons, well i observed it. My friend (archer) was fighting a mage ninja bushido template and the guy parried several times according to my friend (the mage didnt speak english well but were pretty sure he has no parry). He was using a bokuto.

What does anatomy do for me? Is your template worth giving up stealth?

Why 120 swords? what does going past 100 do?

I wouldnt call my build a dexxer, though im not 100% sure what a dexxer is. Its more of a stealth build. Dont know if stealth is practical in pvp tho.
stealth is really only practical in pvp if you are a dismounter specialist...and generally bolas work best for this, along w/ 4/6 chiv casted wolf form via ninja....
That or ninja archer with heavy X-bow ...
and tbh even on a char like that stealth is not needed...nor hiding for that matter.
human form hiding you can usually get the hide off next to a house regardless...

As for parry question...you cannot parry without the parry skill bush or no bush.
with Bush/parry you can parry w/ a 1 handed weap.
Most bush/swords mages carry dex pots to help get them to the 80 dex required to parry. Also it is possible he had no parry, but has 20 human form, and just happened to get lucky and parry a couple of yer hits. THe fact thaat you are only 100 swords makes this even more likely...

Anatomy...
Main thing is for healing...w/o anat healing wont do a thing.
also adds a little bit of damage to you're weap hits.

and the question on 120 swords...
not only is 120 swords pretty much crucial if you want to be able to hit anyone...it will also be the base determining factor in the other guy hitting you or not (before parry, dci, etc are factored in.)
Those are pretty much the 2 most impt. things I'd say...making being 120 in whatever weap skill you are a must, no iffs ands or butts
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

Thanks for clarify that stuff, im rethinking my template as we speak.
Also i dont have 100 swords, its 80 atm, but its my friend were talking about. He had 100 archery(i think) vs the ninja/mage/bush, which makes for the same situation anyways.
This is what im thinking about doing. I allready have a high lvl necro so ill probably slap psn on him to make him a nox fencer necro and ill change my mains template to something like this...
120 swords
100 parry
120 bushido
100 chiv
100 spell res
80 healing(i can grab more prolly if needed)
100 anatomy/tactics

That way i can get psns from my necro and run around with an ornate axe poking people when im not using a cleaver. Im guessing i should pick anatomy over tactics. Chiv is mainly for pve, if i feel inclined i can grab ninja for chiv one day.
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Old 27th February 2007, 09:07 PM   #10
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

hm.
i recomend dropping chiv for ninja...
no real reason for chiv if u use anat/heal and pots.
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and without ninja u are dead meat as soon as u get dismounted...
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Old 27th February 2007, 10:08 PM   #12
 
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Re: Ninja/bushi template help

Yeah i have a shard, im gonna use chiv to lvl and trade it for ninja. I just read somewhere that you need the psn skill to use any high lvl psns, so i might swap anat for psning.
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